To think we soon won’t be isolating even when we have covid.

[Grida]

If covid is spreading as rapidly as it seems to be, surely people who have tested positive but who don’t have symptoms/aren’t feeling ill will have to carry on working. The country will stop functioning otherwise.

Any virus can cause long term damage. Especially for people who have medical vulnerabilities.

I think the thing is with CEV is I get I can catch a cold. But when they're now sending out PCR tests to keep at home and advising you get contacted within 24hrs to start on treatment (see pic), that isn't something I've ever had with a cold!
If I come into contact with someone with chicken pox then I have to ring my consultant, if I get an infection I have rescue antibiotics
I do feel a bit more reassured now they've brought this treatment plan out but still.. worried

People always think oh it won't be me, well it wasn't me until I was 33 and was going out for a meal and then got a call to go to hospital immediately due to blood test results, do not pass go

It's a constant balance between mental health and covid at the minute for me, i WFH FT, and I don't really see anyone but I can't risk socialising 🤷🏽‍♀️

And the thing is I've caught a cold before, I've had tonsillitis, I've had chest infections (3 courses of antibiotics, steroid, numerous nebulisers and pneumonia..) so I know how I react to that
That's why I don't want covid because my weak spot is my chest/throat and also it's a total unknown

It's really hard to explain to someone but all the texts and letters, do not go outside, get someone to take your bins out, do you want a DNAR in place, don't worry it's only people like you that are affected and die, it's ok because they had health problems, ah they had underlying conditions..
I remember sitting on the floor opening the boris box of food, reading the letter and thinking WTAF, they really don't want us to go outside

And now it's well, it's going to be fine not to isolate and your brain goes "er...is it? So we won't die anymore?"

@ohfourfoxache

Really? You know this how, exactly?

Are you saying that all my recent work trying to get paediatric long covid services set up is just piffling nonsense or do you have something more concrete to go on?

Not saying that’s nonsense at all. But it’s absolute nonsense to suggest those services will be required by every child that gets covid. That’s just bollocks.

No, not every child

But do you fancy taking a guess at a %? Because from what I’ve seen it’s potentially worryingly high

But then schools never were protected adequately….

@ohfourfoxache

The irresponsible posts are the ones implying that covid is “just a cold”

Who has implied it’s just a cold? I’ve shared my experience, which is that it’s been even milder than a cold. For me. As it is for lots of people. I haven’t seen anyone on here claim it’s just a cold full stop.

@wouldbegood if you work in mental health you'll know that people with certain underlying health conditions are more likely to suffer with mental health issues , diabetes being one , which is both on the vulnerable list and has high correlation to mental health so awalkintimes post wasn't irrelevant.

A lot of people are suffering with mental health as a result of covid, but ppl with underlying health conditions are already in some cases more likely to have mental health predisposition in the first place and also face increased anxiety re covid.

There seems to be a perception that vulnerable = older, lived their life so collateral damage but there's many people who aren't in that boat, the 30 year old asthmatic, the 22 year old type 1 diabetic etc who are at increased risk of complications from covid. There are no easy answers. I dont know what the alternative is and think we are at a stage where the op is probably right and restrictions will need to reduce. But if we do that, it's only right to have a pathway for those at increased risk.

Yes this madness and hysteria needs to stop. If you’re asymptomatic, then just get on with your life. If you’re someone who is irrationally terrified, then you need to wake up and realize that it’s just another respiratory virus that’s here forever.

@ohfourfoxache

Yes, *@Jourdain11* for some people it is like a cold

For others there is long term damage

Want to risk it?

Do you avoid all risk in life. Can you avoid all risk in life. Why reserve this irrational attitude just for Covid?

[quote IfOnlyOurEyesSawSouls]@Covidclaire to be honest you really don't know what you are talking about.

What we know about Covid is that even for people who have mild none hospitalised cases , that children and young people who have had covid will have poorer physical health outcomes in adulthood.

We are set to have a future generation of adults who are physically adversely affected by even mild covid .

But what do I know iv only been up front and personal with it for nearly 2 years as opposed to being an armchair scientist. [/quote]
Perhaps try taking the same patronising tone with everyone else whose life chances are even more impacted by the restrictions. And see how far you get. You know, the armchair business people, the armchair school leavers, the armchair mental health sufferers. The list goes on.

Ach, you know - there is absolutely no fucking point even discussing it

The whole thing is going to be a continuous shit show and people have stopped caring about the welfare of others. Afterall, it’s just a cold and I’m probably just being a precious little snowflake - we’ll have YEARS to analyse what went wrong and when!

It’s just going to be up to an ever decreasing pool of healthcare staff looking after people with ever increasing needs

I’m hiding this thread…. I am so done with people who just won’t fucking listen. Bloody armchair scientists who get their qualifications from the tabloids and Twitter

Good luck everyone, we’re going to fucking need it

@NMC2022

I think the thing is with CEV is I get I can catch a cold. But when they're now sending out PCR tests to keep at home and advising you get contacted within 24hrs to start on treatment (see pic), that isn't something I've ever had with a cold! If I come into contact with someone with chicken pox then I have to ring my consultant, if I get an infection I have rescue antibiotics I do feel a bit more reassured now they've brought this treatment plan out but still.. worried

People always think oh it won't be me, well it wasn't me until I was 33 and was going out for a meal and then got a call to go to hospital immediately due to blood test results, do not pass go

It's a constant balance between mental health and covid at the minute for me, i WFH FT, and I don't really see anyone but I can't risk socialising 🤷🏽‍♀️

Sounds really tough. You have my sympathies, things are harder for you than many, or myself. Take care!

They changed the isolation rules in Scotland again because of the new variant. Which means if one of us is positive then we all have to isolate for 10 days. My dh is on a zero hours contract and if he has to isolate we then lose his wages and then struggle to pay rent etc. We lose 800 in one month for him isolating if this happens.

I don't agree with the change to this. Covid is here to stay and we should just be getting on with it. Regular lft tests etc. Being safe. 10 day isolation no matter what is okay if your employer will cover it. Ours won't.

It was leaked that it was the plan from April next year

^

Sorry, what is this? Leaked from where exactly?

@RoomOfRequirement
Well carrying on as we are is basically saying 'fuck everyone else' because lockdowns are having a horrendous impact on people's lives in so many ways. And staff having to isolate even though they don't feel ill is going to mean to lots of people will die of non covid related illnesses that could have been preventable.

I agree with OP. This can't come soon enough. Bring it on.

I am on the CEV list. I still say that and won't live life shut away either.

@CoffeeMuggins

And realistically don't we all "gamble with our lives" in everything we do? Every time we get in the car, bus or train, cross the road, climb the stairs etc

Oh dear, are these things equally risky in your mind?

No they're not equally risky, but they all do carry some level of risk. Just as there are different levels of risk in monetary gambling (that is literally the point of it).

When we go about everyday life, we assess these risks and decide whether the risk is worth the reward i.e. gambling. Covid is just yet another of the hundreds of risks we face daily, along with the examples in my earlier post and many more.

@ohfourfoxache

Yes, *@Jourdain11* for some people it is like a cold

For others there is long term damage

Want to risk it?

Yeah i do want to risk it, because it's not 50/50 is it, like half of people it is a cold and half of people get organ damage. Depending on your age and risk factors, it's more like 99/1 in favour of "pretty much a cold and then you're fine". I'll take those odds.

@TimTeleporter

Are you saying that all my recent work trying to get paediatric long covid services set up is just piffling nonsense or do you have something more concrete to go on?

How would anyone know what work you do in real life?. With a link that doesn't tell us much at all. Weird. I would think you'd want to engage a little more than respond like that.

Yes, it's rather curious isn't it...

@CoffeeMuggins

What do we expect the vulnerable to do when this happens? Stay inside forever or gamble with their lives every time they need to go to work or pop to the shops?

Been doing that since March 2020 ☹️

Oh dear, are these things equally risky in your mind?

Well as a healthy 40 year old, who's double (about to be triple) vaxxed, I expect I am at more risk from death or serious outcomes in a road accident actually.

The way we've set up our economic systems does not facilitate long periods of isolation from people who are aren't actually ill. That's the long and short of it, so yes, we'll have to drop this as soon as it is feasible.

Until it really has weakened and is no threat to the vulnerable then we still need to self isolate. I feel sorry for those who have immunity problems, it's like they are constantly being cast aside.

Looks like isolation will be cut to 7 days very soon so a step in the right direction.

I hope so! If omicron is like a cold then we can get back to bloody normal - all vulnerable people should be triple vaxxed and risk assessments can be made. Vulnerable posters have already said they want to live their lives.
I know it’s not as simple as this but imho another lockdown is not the answer for so many reasons.