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To think we soon won’t be isolating even when we have covid.

535 replies

Grida · 16/12/2021 17:58

If covid is spreading as rapidly as it seems to be, surely people who have tested positive but who don’t have symptoms/aren’t feeling ill will have to carry on working. The country will stop functioning otherwise.

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Covidclaire · 20/12/2021 23:43

@VanillaAndOrange

Presumably people who aren't really ill are already working if they can work from home.
I’m trying, but I can’t have our nanny here due to isolating so not getting much more than a few hours a day done.
ohfourfoxache · 20/12/2021 23:49

Ironically the vaccine programme has actually increased spread

Because people are more likely to be asymptotic they are less likely to test, are more likely to spend time with others

The % increase isn’t statistically significant, but it’s still an increase

CurlyhairedAssassin · 20/12/2021 23:49

@Berlinkreuzberg

Covid isn't like any normal viral infection is it ? It's very different to influenza or norovirus. It's novel right ? God forbid any of you or your loved ones out of the blue develop cancer and need chemo or suddenly find they need to take immunosuppressants I'm pretty sure you'll change your tune about mixing with covid positive patients. Stick one of you lot in a red area ICU and you won't wear ppe ? Really ? Let's see it lol. All f***g talk as usual.
Why would they be mixing with COVID positive patients? There would be strict isolation wards for COVID patients. It’s not like you’re going to stick a cancer patient in HDU with someone who’s got COVID is it? Cancer patients on very harsh chemo tend to have their own wards anyway with strict hygiene protocols. Perhaps if we hahe to live with Covid then we need to develop better ways to protect vulnerable people while they are undergoing treatment in hospital. It would be costlier, I grant you.
HugeAckmansWife · 20/12/2021 23:51

But it's not just 'inconvenient'. I think most people on this thread are arguing from a perspective far greater than inconvenience. Loss of businesses, tanking economy, lost education and MH issues. Enforced SI causes all these things, any one if which and a combination of can result on a higher death rate ultimately than Covid.

IfOnlyOurEyesSawSouls · 20/12/2021 23:52

@Covidclaire to be honest you really don't know what you are talking about.

What we know about Covid is that even for people who have mild none hospitalised cases , that children and young people who have had covid will have poorer physical health outcomes in adulthood.

We are set to have a future generation of adults who are physically adversely affected by even mild covid .

But what do I know iv only been up front and personal with it for nearly 2 years as opposed to being an armchair scientist.

Covidclaire · 20/12/2021 23:58

What we know about Covid is that even for people who have mild none hospitalised cases , that children and young people who have had covid will have poorer physical health outcomes in adulthood

And what long term study is this based on?

Stop exaggerating. As if this is going to be the case for all children and young people that get covid.

CurlyhairedAssassin · 20/12/2021 23:59

And why wouldn’t people wear PPE in a red area ICU, even IF they thought we have to now live with Covid in society in general ? It’s not like hospital staff deliberately try to catch germs off patients day to day, is it? It’s always about lowering risk. If you’re going to say ridiculous and sarcastic comments like that you may as well say “well then, we should just give up then and scrap all infection controls in hospital.” Are you going to argue that as we’re all of the opinion that it’s ok to live alongside bacteria in the world outside the hospital that surgeons shouldn’t wash their hands before operating?

Awalkintime · 21/12/2021 00:00

IfOnlyOurEyesSawSouls
You mean a bit like smoking in that the damage being done internally may not show for many years?

RubyJam · 21/12/2021 00:03

[quote IfOnlyOurEyesSawSouls]@Covidclaire to be honest you really don't know what you are talking about.

What we know about Covid is that even for people who have mild none hospitalised cases , that children and young people who have had covid will have poorer physical health outcomes in adulthood.

We are set to have a future generation of adults who are physically adversely affected by even mild covid .

But what do I know iv only been up front and personal with it for nearly 2 years as opposed to being an armchair scientist. [/quote]
How do you know people who have had Covid will have poorer outcomes in adulthood ? Honestly, what a lot of rubbish
It’s a novel virus
There are no studies on its effect from childhood to adulthood
Majority of people are absolutely fine
How are you extrapolating this , it’s complete conjecture

ohfourfoxache · 21/12/2021 00:04

There is a huge amount of evidence ALREADY that covid can cause catastrophic effects, even with mild infections

I repeat, look at long covid linked to heart attacks

It’s potentially very, very silly to ignore the potential long term impact of this

TimTeleporter · 21/12/2021 00:05

What we know about Covid is that even for people who have mild none hospitalised cases , that children and young people who have had covid will have poorer physical health outcomes in adulthood.

We are set to have a future generation of adults who are physically adversely affected by even mild covid

Do we know this? Sounds very alarming. I'm not sure how we could know this at such an early stage. Can you post your data for this please? I'd like to know more as it's the first I've heard of it.

TimTeleporter · 21/12/2021 00:15

That doesn't show any outcomes or projections for children in adulthood? Just an increased risk for adults that gradually decreased after a month. I believe there have been similar risks for some people after having the vaccine. Did you post the wrong link?

Covidclaire · 21/12/2021 00:18

@ohfourfoxache

There is a huge amount of evidence ALREADY that covid can cause catastrophic effects, even with mild infections

I repeat, look at long covid linked to heart attacks

It’s potentially very, very silly to ignore the potential long term impact of this

But not for all children and young adults who have had covid.
ohfourfoxache · 21/12/2021 00:21

Really? You know this how, exactly?

Are you saying that all my recent work trying to get paediatric long covid services set up is just piffling nonsense or do you have something more concrete to go on?

Jourdain11 · 21/12/2021 00:24

@hopingforabrighterfuture2021

I agree it can’t carry on indefinitely. As far as I’m aware, covid is the only illness where you LEGALLY have to self isolate, obviously if you have flu or norovirus etc it’s not fair to go out, but most people are sensible about it.
Tbf, if you had flu or noro you wouldn't be able to go out! Once I "developed" noro while at work and I had to get black cab home. And I had to ask him to stop twice so I could puke in the gutter. I can't imagine anyone cheerily going round the shops!
Jourdain11 · 21/12/2021 00:26

@TimTeleporter

What we know about Covid is that even for people who have mild none hospitalised cases , that children and young people who have had covid will have poorer physical health outcomes in adulthood.

We are set to have a future generation of adults who are physically adversely affected by even mild covid

Do we know this? Sounds very alarming. I'm not sure how we could know this at such an early stage. Can you post your data for this please? I'd like to know more as it's the first I've heard of it.

It is impossible to know that. None of these children who have had Covid have become adults yet.

These posts are really alarmist and irresponsible and should be deleted.

ohfourfoxache · 21/12/2021 00:28

Unfortunately (fortunately?) Noro and flu typically leave you feeling completely unfit for anything, so you’re going to have to isolate simply because you’re too unwell to go out

But look at statutory sick pay. People can’t AFFORD to isolate, especially if it’s just a pesky little line on a test and otherwise they feel fine

We’ve gone back to survival of the fittest, because the people who lead us lack the sense and the humanity to see the population as anything more than a commodity

TimTeleporter · 21/12/2021 00:28

Are you saying that all my recent work trying to get paediatric long covid services set up is just piffling nonsense or do you have something more concrete to go on?

How would anyone know what work you do in real life?. With a link that doesn't tell us much at all. Weird. I would think you'd want to engage a little more than respond like that. Hmm

ohfourfoxache · 21/12/2021 00:30

The irresponsible posts are the ones implying that covid is “just a cold”

TimTeleporter · 21/12/2021 00:31

These posts are really alarmist and irresponsible and should be deleted.

It's not great. Although if it is true then I want to know more about it. With a history of heart attacks and stroke in my partner's family, which may increase the risks for my child.

Jourdain11 · 21/12/2021 00:34

Even if there's factual basis to the assertion, there is no way it could be proven at present.

Jourdain11 · 21/12/2021 00:35

@ohfourfoxache

The irresponsible posts are the ones implying that covid is “just a cold”
But for some people it really is. Many colds are coronaviruses. And every virus was "novel" once.
ohfourfoxache · 21/12/2021 00:39

@TimTeleporter PLEASE look into it

Similar situation here, FIL valve transplants last year, identified genetic, DH investigations show potential problems. He was put into category 2 for vaccinations despite being in 40’s

We won’t know about the kids until adolescence, but high probability they will also have problems

If your Dc is >12 they might be able to do an ECG/scan to assess whether there are any underlying issues

ohfourfoxache · 21/12/2021 00:40

Yes, @Jourdain11 for some people it is like a cold

For others there is long term damage

Want to risk it?