Anyone not getting a booster?

[LifesTooShortYOLO]

What are you reasons for not getting the booster?

Mybalconyiscracking have you read the thread? If so does your advice extend to those still suffer side effects from their original inoculations?

But it’s obviously not going to be a jab every other month is it? Even if it was it’s frankly better than the alternative. Once herd immunity is achieved then the drive for recurrent jabs surely goes down.

Yes there may be some side effects but it’s better than catching covid, it’s a myth that only the vulnerable get seriously ill. This is the same warped logic as the people who say they won’t give their kids the meningitis jab because it can cause a fever. Vaccines don’t just protect you, they protect others too. I can’t get behind the logic of refusing.

@Puzzledandpissedoff

I don’t understand why people are so triggered at the prospect of an annual booster?

From most of the posts on here I'd say it's not an annual booster which worries many, but increasing numbers per year
I've wondered how the "antivax" accusers would cope with those who've already had two, but they're getting more inventive all the time (though the "boiled potato" one was quite fun)

Someone said only last week that one booster would turn into others very fast, and the usual insults flew (why don't the insulters realise their credibility goes straight out the window when they start on this tack?)
Now, right on cue, we have a link showing they're considering exactly that - and so far these also lack any wide research into effectiveness, and like the rest are only licenced for emergency use

I think it's perfectly reasonable to be concerned and ask questions. There's just a massive difference between asking whether a booster is really necessary if you've just had covid, or genuinely wondering what the impact of several jabs a year might be, and spouting lies and misinformation, saying the vaccines we've had are useless, or claiming the government is somehow trying to control us by making us have jabs.

The latter set of people don't think their ignorance and lack of knowledge is obvious. It is.

hahaha, yes, you can ask questions, but only the ones I like to hear. Very convincing. @megustalacerveza

Once herd immunity is achieved then the drive for recurrent jabs surely goes down

You'd think, right? But between vaccines and prior infections over 90% of people have antibodies. Yet here we are, panicking about case numbers and new variants and giving everyone boosters.

@LifeIsWhat

hahaha, yes, you can ask questions, but only the ones I like to hear. Very convincing. *@megustalacerveza*

No, ones that are sensible questions based on science. Questions that show the person is well aware of the situation, has looked at the data, and genuinely wants answers to help them make a decision.

Anyone who witters on about 'control' or thinks vaccines are useless deserves to be treated like an idiot.

@MaxNormal

Once herd immunity is achieved then the drive for recurrent jabs surely goes down

You'd think, right? But between vaccines and prior infections over 90% of people have antibodies. Yet here we are, panicking about case numbers and new variants and giving everyone boosters.

There's no way to win, is there? If they sat back and said 'let's wait and see' and then 100,000 people died, they'd be raked over the coals.

Yes 100%. And at this point I couldn't give a shit if I'm having one every few months for the foreseeable. Whatever it takes to give my family a normal life.

I mean yes I'm getting it obvs - sorry, mis-read title.

@Scautish

If you genuinely cannot see the incredibly positive impact the vaccines have had on the UK death rate (see attached graphs) then I’m not surprised you are posting such rubbish.

Scientific illiteracy is a huge problem on threads like this. Posters may think “they are entitled to an opinion” but if you don’t have the scientific understanding, or understanding of how the research community works then your opinion is equivalent to an astrology prediction.

This with bells on 👏🏻👏🏻

Yes 100%. And at this point I couldn't give a shit if I'm having one every few months for the foreseeable. Whatever it takes to give my family a normal life

Amen. I had mine 10 days ago arranged via my GP practice. I was in the chair being injected 5 minutes after I arrived and then waited for 15 minutes. Same with my DH on a different day. It couldn’t have been slicker. Hats off to the volunteers in the centres who are keeping the show on the road.

I think it's perfectly reasonable to be concerned and ask questions. There's just a massive difference between asking whether a booster is really necessary if you've just had covid, or genuinely wondering what the impact of several jabs a year might be, and spouting lies and misinformation, saying the vaccines we've had are useless, or claiming the government is somehow trying to control us by making us have jabs

I agree completely with most of this, though am not sure about the "control" bit

Clearly the conspiracy theories about microchips and so on seem pretty silly, but the financial imperatives honestly do worry me, especially with a government with a taste for corruption and pharma companies who've not always been as honest as we might like

That's not to deny for a moment the massive benfits that most vaccines have given us all, simply to recognise that the situation's nuanced and motivations can be mixed

I'd be fine with an annual booster but, as people have pointed out, it's not annual. So this booster will offer protection against Omicron. Then we have the next variant and the next. Or I finally can book to go on holiday and find that I would need to have had a booster within x months before. But because I rushed to have this booster, too much time has passed and I need yet another one. Some of you may be happy to take as many jabs as you can get. But not everyone feels that way. Calling them (us) stupid and selfish won't change anything.

We're not all in the same situation. If I worked in say a care home or school, of course I would have the booster. No question. But I wfh, I won't be seeing anyone over Christmas. All my groceries etc are delivered. Literally there will be one occasion over the next few weeks when I will be in close contact with people. I'm going to the Post Office tomorrow to post off cards and gifts. That's it. And I wouldn't be able to get my booster before then anyway. Plus presumably it takes some time to start working, as the previous ones did?

So I won't even be in a situation to catch Covid, let alone pass it to anyone else.

Just read a message from a family member who's doing some building work for 2 Pfizer Scientists

They've refused the vaccine and will continue to do so

@MsWaffle

Just read a message from a family member who's doing some building work for 2 Pfizer Scientists

They've refused the vaccine and will continue to do so

On what basis, exactly? Just had Covid? Or don't think booster necessary?

Here is some info about the vaccine- we got given this at the booster

www.gov.uk/government/publications/regulatory-approval-of-pfizer-biontech-vaccine-for-covid-19/information-for-uk-recipients-on-pfizerbiontech-covid-19-vaccine

I'm in Scotland 6+months from 2nd AZ. From this graph, it seems that very few in my age group have actually had a booster - many of them probably front line workers who had Pfizer not AZ for first doses. So my question is; how many people have had an MRNA booster following 2 AZ under the age of 40? It's seems not many, and certainly not enough to declare it safe and free of serious side effects for all. Remember the clot issue was discovered AFTER the jab had been given to millions of people.

At this point either hook us all up to drips we can wheel around or just add it to um our water

@containsnuts

I'm in Scotland 6+months from 2nd AZ. From this graph, it seems that very few in my age group have actually had a booster - many of them probably front line workers who had Pfizer not AZ for first doses. So my question is; how many people have had an MRNA booster following 2 AZ under the age of 40? It's seems not many, and certainly not enough to declare it safe and free of serious side effects for all. Remember the clot issue was discovered AFTER the jab had been given to millions of people.

Presumably everyone who is eligible? Anyone who had 2 x AZ and is under 40 was either a frontline worker or had underlying conditions and these groups are now well over 6 months past booster. You're not going to get masses of data because relatively few under 40s got AZ.

@MsWaffle

Just read a message from a family member who's doing some building work for 2 Pfizer Scientists

They've refused the vaccine and will continue to do so

More information needed!

@megustalacerveza. Exactly. As mentioned up thread everyone has had different vaccine types at different intervals. I'm sure on a population level it's worth the risk to just keep boosting people and see how it goes but for an individual with family and responsibilities it's not so straight forward.

Scientific illiteracy is a huge problem on threads like this. Posters may think “they are entitled to an opinion” but if you don’t have the scientific understanding, or understanding of how the research community works then your opinion is equivalent to an astrology prediction.

A bit like Neil Ferguson then? Maybe astrology is how he comes up with his predictions - would make sense when you look at how wildly inaccurate they always are! I thought after he'd been fired we'd heard the last of him, but sadly not.

I'm in two minds. I want to but I'm worried incase there are any issues with it.

I had covid 8 weeks ago and I have no idea if that will provide me with any protection, from Omicron most likely not 🤦‍♀️

@nojudgementhere

Maybe astrology is how he comes up with his predictions - would make sense when you look at how wildly inaccurate they always are!

Thank you for providing a great example of scientific illiteracy. You don’t seem to understand the difference between forecasting when you have very little data upon which to base your assumptions (which was the situation Prof Neil Ferguson was in in March 2020) and recommendations based over a years’ worth of vaccine data and nearly two years of Covid data. Can you really not understand the difference?

@LookslovelyinSpringtime

Just messaged him and he said they didn't say anything else unfortunately, only that they have refused the vaccine