Anyone not getting a booster?

[LifesTooShortYOLO]

What are you reasons for not getting the booster?

Yes and it’s already happened, throughout 2020, but it was due to decisions made by DHSC and filtered down to the individual trusts, not directly due to hospitalisations of those with COVID.

This is quite a good daily tracker of the latest UK data:

data.spectator.co.uk/category/national

I hate that narrative that because some countries don't have access everyone should line up to have it regardless of their personal thoughts on it. I had both my vaccines and was excited to do so, I absolutely see the benefit and would be delighted if everyone was happy to roll up their sleeve and get it done; but I value body autonomy and the freedoms we have here. For every Facebook expert there are people with legitimate reasons for being wary- repeating infinitely get jabbed, some people would love the chance isn't going to address that. Healthcare equality in this country is never a priority.

@Scautish

Yes, vaccines save lives. In people that had a higher risk of dying

You say science illiteracy is a problem yet fail to discuss that covid has a very clear risk profile

My 16 year old taking a vaccine won’t save any lives. He was never going to die anyway.
Same with me and the booster, I’m not dying of covid. No lives saved by me getting it.

“Scientific illiteracy is a huge problem on threads like this. Posters may think “they are entitled to an opinion” but if you don’t have the scientific understanding, or understanding of how the research community works then your opinion is equivalent to an astrology prediction.”

But even the scientists don’t agree…

@Tabbacus

I hate that narrative that because some countries don't have access everyone should line up to have it regardless of their personal thoughts on it. I had both my vaccines and was excited to do so, I absolutely see the benefit and would be delighted if everyone was happy to roll up their sleeve and get it done; but I value body autonomy and the freedoms we have here. For every Facebook expert there are people with legitimate reasons for being wary- repeating infinitely get jabbed, some people would love the chance isn't going to address that. Healthcare equality in this country is never a priority.

It's not about not having the jabs, it's the entitlement. The expectation that 'they' (the government) will always be there to save you and cushion you from the impact of your bad decisions. It's like a toddler and parent relationship. If people actually had to own the consequences, they might think twice.

@Whattochoosenow

“Scientific illiteracy is a huge problem on threads like this. Posters may think “they are entitled to an opinion” but if you don’t have the scientific understanding, or understanding of how the research community works then your opinion is equivalent to an astrology prediction.”

But even the scientists don’t agree…

Which scientists are saying vaccines are useless? If there are any, they definitely aren't being taken seriously by anyone relevant.

@OfMinceAndMen that’s not strictly true, there are people who are otherwise v healthy who have died from the virus, one of DHs old Uni friends did, bloke was early 30s and fit as a fiddle. Even if it’s just those who have additional risk factors are the ones who are significantly affected, isn’t a regular vaccine a good idea to protect those who are the most vulnerable?
Where have they said it will be a vaccine every few months or so? The initial plan was a booster 6 months after your last dose but there seems to be concern on this new variant.

As to your comment about campaigns for weight loss and general fitness, of course there are! There is the daily mile which is always on TV, the government increases taxation on sugary drinks, weight loss shows or weight loss in general is always being discussed in the media, so I think there is sufficient enough knowledge that obesity is a public health crisis. But it’s not an even comparison as the government are directly responsible for obesity rates being as shocking as they are, especially among the less affluent, as their austerity will have inevitably hit those most vulnerable and their financial means to buy healthy (which is often more expensive) food

@Whattochoosenow

“Scientific illiteracy is a huge problem on threads like this. Posters may think “they are entitled to an opinion” but if you don’t have the scientific understanding, or understanding of how the research community works then your opinion is equivalent to an astrology prediction.”

But even the scientists don’t agree…

The vast vast majority of them do. You are trying to cast doubt on peer reviewed expert research which is saving thousands of lives.

Have you ever stopped to think about the scientific research that has been undertaken to allow you and me to converse online as we are now? What about your smartphone - more computing power in that than the computers which got Neil Armstrong to the moon?Because that’s 200 years of research covering many many fields. Do you question that technology - do you think there is lots of disagreement about whether or not it actually works?

I really wish more people could understand what science has done for you (and all of us).
Sure there are debates on some fundamental areas and of course interpretation of data to anticipate what could happen in the future is based on assumptions should always be questioned, but to continually state that scientists do not agree and using that as justification not to get the jab is completely wrong and morally abhorrent.

I’ve had my jabs.
Scientists can’t agree on the course of the disease.
And here we go with the emotive language again “morally abhorrent “ - that’s opinion, not fact.

[quote hamstersarse]@Scautish

Yes, vaccines save lives. In people that had a higher risk of dying

You say science illiteracy is a problem yet fail to discuss that covid has a very clear risk profile

My 16 year old taking a vaccine won’t save any lives. He was never going to die anyway.
Same with me and the booster, I’m not dying of covid. No lives saved by me getting it.[/quote]
And in one post you are demonstrating your scientific illiteracy.

You are taking a micro situation (your individual son) and applying it to a macro target (herd immunity). You have quite simply failed to understand that.

If all 16 year olds (and other ages of course) get the vaccine then it absolutely will help save lives and help reduce numbers in hospitals. So your statement that his vaccination won’t save lives is wrong. But your lack of scientific understanding has led you to that conclusion.

@Scautish you're wasting your breath. So many people truly are incapable of thinking past 'me, me, me'. Incapable.

I’m describing the act of spreading misinformation to deter people from getting the jab as morally abhorrent. Lying to convince someone not to do something (which could cause them harm) is extremely problematic and I’m not sure why you’re arguing against that?

I also happen to believe that people who choose not to get the jab are morally questionable however that is my opinion. But that was not the point of my post.

you need to read what I’ve written more carefully and not lie about what I have in fact written to try to discredit my position.

[quote megustalacerveza]@Scautish you're wasting your breath. So many people truly are incapable of thinking past 'me, me, me'. Incapable.[/quote]
Yes probably. It’s like trying to reason with a boiled potato.

Anybody seen any data on 2 x AZ then (symptomatic) natural infection (probably delta)?

In theory, covid infection should give broad spectrum immunity for at least 6 months, right?

I'm planning on timing my booster for that point (and maybe the new vac will be available).

“Boiled potato”
Insults now too..

I was in two minds. My second jab made me very ill, much more so than when I had COVID, so I wasn't going to. But I think that being 'fully vaccinated', even though they keep changing the goalposts on what that is, is going to be more a requirement of taking part in society. So in the end I had it yesterday and I'm glad to say not made me I'll at all this time, just a bruised arm. (Triple Pfizer)

www.gov.uk/government/publications/freedom-of-information-responses-from-the-mhra-week-commencing-1-july-2021/freedom-of-information-request-on-reg-174-for-pfizer-covid-19-mrna-vaccine-foi-21-611

Since I had the vaccination I've had what I can only describe as a hungover feeling, a foggy head, headaches later in the day and tinnitus. I'm in two minds whether to get the booster or just leave things as they are and hope the vaccine eventually leaves my system.

[quote GreyPurbeckMarble]www.gov.uk/government/publications/freedom-of-information-responses-from-the-mhra-week-commencing-1-july-2021/freedom-of-information-request-on-reg-174-for-pfizer-covid-19-mrna-vaccine-foi-21-611[/quote]
This doesn't sound good ... but I confess I didn't really understand it so I still wonder what the difference between vaccine-induced immunity (whether or partial or total) and infection acquired or vaccine plus infection-acquired immunity is?

Why isn't there more info on naturally acquired immunity? Millions of us have had Covid, reading the news it's like nobody has any immunity that way. I really don't understand. Of course it's not going to be 100%, but it's probably not zero either.

I've been double jabbed and had a bad reaction to the first, it took me weeks before I felt OK again.
Only had my 2nd because I knew it would stop me from going on holiday.
Not getting a booster.
I have also had covid and I felt worse after both vaccines than actually having covid.

@Scautish

Yep, you are going to have to explain to this boiled potato exactly how vaccinating 16 year olds (who have had covid btw) will save the lives of people who are at risk but have been vaccinated themselves

@Namechangetimes100

I don’t understand why people are so triggered at the prospect of an annual booster? It’s a virus, viruses mutate. The flu vaccine has an annual booster. The vaccine doesn’t 100% prevent you getting covid (I’m not sure any vaccines do offer a 100% guarantee) but it does reduce the likelihood you’ll be severely affected by it. An annual vaccine seems a small price to pay for not being in ITU on life support to me

An annual booster is a very different prospect to having one every 8 weeks, which at this rate, I will have.

I don’t understand why people are so triggered at the prospect of an annual booster?

From most of the posts on here I'd say it's not an annual booster which worries many, but increasing numbers per year
I've wondered how the "antivax" accusers would cope with those who've already had two, but they're getting more inventive all the time (though the "boiled potato" one was quite fun)

Someone said only last week that one booster would turn into others very fast, and the usual insults flew (why don't the insulters realise their credibility goes straight out the window when they start on this tack?)
Now, right on cue, we have a link showing they're considering exactly that - and so far these also lack any wide research into effectiveness, and like the rest are only licenced for emergency use

Just have the bloody booster!
We are well on our way to having a virus that mainly kills the stupid.
Maybe that was the idea all along?