Omg my social media feeds are going crazy!

[november90]

Literally everyone posting about refusing the boosters now after he back and forth with restrictions and the government breaking the rules etc! I can't believe it!
Anyone else seeing the same thing?
I wonder if it is like this in other countries who have reintroduced restrictions etc.

This is not my view btw, I'm happy to take my booster but obviously very annoyed with new restrictions too. So hope my sons Nativity isn't cancelled :(

@Callixte That’s interesting. Switzerland have recently increased their presumption of immunity after infection to 12 months.

It’s toys being thrown out of the pram.

I was the only person in my house who had the booster and the only one who didn’t come down with it.

[quote bumbleymummy]@EileenGC

I would call that a peak. And my point was that all your restrictions and vaccine passports that you’ve had for months didn’t stop it happening. You’re looking at current U.K. incidence - not England on its own. Scotland, Wales and NI kept masks and have more restrictions and aren’t faring as well as England either.[/quote]
It is a peak. Still lower than the UK’s because Germany has 15 million more people living within its borders. Number of cases means nothing without converting it into a number out of 100k/1m people.

Honestly, do people not know how to read graphs and statistics anymore?

And like I said, I quoted the number for UK but it’s higher for England. Feel free to confirm this yourself by looking at the available data.

Oh, and you can wear cloth masks in Scotland, NI and Wales and declare yourself exempt. Let’s not compare that with the rules in Europe.

Nope. Mine is full of people confirming they have had their booster.

Remember that (due to worldwide demand and the need for more to be manufactured) we have only a very limited supply of the new treatments - the antivirals and the monoclonal antibodies.

I might be wrong but I assume if an MP particularly a senior one, or somebody else "important" gets SARS-COV-2, they will have access to these drugs.

I wouldn't base my decisions on boosters around what the government does.

FWIW my local vaccination site is doing both booked appointments and walk ins. It's been very busy everyday with queues for the walk ins.

My social media just had people sharing memes about the Christmas party at Downing Street. People seem pretty angry about it. The rule changes are barely getting a mention.

Stratsvutye OP! 💪

Re Germany, surely the death rates are more important than 'cases' when comparing with England, as I heard they are testing a lot less?

@EileenGC you asked what I was calling a peak, so I showed you what I was calling a peak and you’ve agreed that yes, it is, in fact, a peak. So even with your restrictions, vaccine passports and superior face masks you still ended up with a sharp spike in cases.

@LemonSwan the big issue is that Omicron is more transmissible than Delta, cases are currently doubling approximately every two days and there is the added issue that there is some immune escape which makes two vaccinations less effective than against Delta. Early data shows that the immune boost that you get from a booster dose then helps the vaccines to stand up better to omicron in terms of preventing hospitalisation and serious illness. The data released by Pfizer today seems to show that three Pfizer doses provide similar protection against omicron as two doses did against delta. The data is all still emerging but the general view seems to be that the vaccines won’t be useless but will be weakened which makes the extra antibodies provided by the booster even more important. Given the risks of covid in your third trimester and the amount of data there is now about vaccination during pregnancy I’d get your booster based on the early data.

Wow. Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face, all you who aren't going to bother getting the booster now! Or more rather a big "fuck you to everyone else. I only care about me and mine" attitude. The selfishness of people when it comes to covid truly astonishes me!

@user1471443411 yep

There hasn’t been any deaths related to omicron yet so aI can’t say Im desperate to get it. I’ll get it done just before returning from maternity leave to protect others.

@bumbleymummy

And I think people don’t realise that many young people didn’t have the vaccine to ‘protect themselves’ - they weren’t worried about their risk from the virus. They wanted to travel and to ‘get their freedom back’ so they’re pretty pissed that they went along with it and are now not getting those freedoms they were promised and are being asked to take another dose.

I'd think most of those young people are bright enough to recognise that this is a once-in-a-lifetime pandemic (ie. global) and by its very nature it is unpredictable and can last a few years before petering out. This has discussed at length before.

We’ll see.

I think the best we can hope for is that those that want boosters can get them asap, and those that choose not to catch covid. We need herd immunity and there are only those two ways of getting there.

And if the ones that shout loudest fall hardest, so be it.

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

@Rainbowsandstorms

Thanks Rainbow, I will likely get boostered. I am just confused about when.

I dont want multiple COVID vaccines in my pregnancy. One is my max.

I am due early may and a month ago I was planning on late Dec/ Early Jan to provide 6 month coverage giving me 'good protection' in third trimester.

Now they are saying only 3 months coverage. So now when should I get it? 1st Jan only takes me to 31st March and misses a month of my highest risk period and also misses the period when I am likely to be in hospital itself giving birth.

Do you understand what I mean? Apologises if not explaining it clearly.

@HariboMaroon

I just can’t be arsed now to get my booster, I was only up for vax to get my life back!

I’m early 30s and now just think what is the fucking point? If we didn’t have restrictions I would absolutely get my booster but now I’m just demoralised.

What’s the point, I’ve been exposed to covid loads of times now and quite frankly im still here and very much alive.

It’s not just about protecting you though is it @HariboMaroon? It’s not just about you getting your life back. It’s about protecting the vulnerable and protecting the NHS. Don’t be so selfish. Get the vaccine.

@Bouledeneige

I don't really understand some of the views expressed here - what if the booster stops you getting the virus or gives you milder symptoms or none at all? Isn't that a benefit to you? I'm ill with Covid at the moment and its not exactly a laugh.

The booster is not in exchange for no rules. Its to manage the impact of the illness on you and anyone you come into contact with.

I agree. I just don't understand some of the comments here at all.

The vulnerable are better protected by their own vaccine and how likely do you think it is that a healthy, double jabbed, 30-something year old is going to end up in hospital? Do you look at the data?

Pp to @Lalliella

@november90 I don't know what sort of friends you have on SM but I know nobody who is thinking that way at all. Everyone has been relieved to have their boosters, despite them all being in agreement about Boris being an utter shitbag.

I'm 20, so as far as I know not at very much risk if I get covid. I'll take the booster when it's offered as I trust the scientists who are telling me to. I want to protect others if I can. I have absolutely zero trust in the current government though. And I'm not sure if I'll listen if they try to cancel Christmas again.

My healthy 30 something pregnant cousin was hospitalised with Covid. Her baby was born premature as a result. (Thankfully both are doing ok now).

And healthy? Well that's a significant propertion of the population at risk then. Like you say, higher bmi is one of the risk factors. Something like two thirds of the UK population is overweight.

Add in the millions with underlying conditions (including undiagnosed) and...erm...full hospitals and HCP off sick. So no or delayed medical care if you get any other illness or have a fall or get run over.

The vulnerable are better protected by their own vaccine

And that is not necessarily true. Some immunocompromised people are not as well protected by the vaccines as are the rest of us. They rely to an extent on the consideration and decency of others in society to keep safe.