Omg my social media feeds are going crazy!

[november90]

Literally everyone posting about refusing the boosters now after he back and forth with restrictions and the government breaking the rules etc! I can't believe it!
Anyone else seeing the same thing?
I wonder if it is like this in other countries who have reintroduced restrictions etc.

This is not my view btw, I'm happy to take my booster but obviously very annoyed with new restrictions too. So hope my sons Nativity isn't cancelled :(

@TractorAndHeadphones have you even read my post? I’m not in the UK, hence me being under 40 but still able to book my booster.

Many young healthy people only got vaccinated because they believed the government when it said this was the way to get their freedoms back and their lives back to normal.

Now that the government is proving that it lied to them, and that it has absolutely no intention of ever removing restrictions on people’s lives I don’t blame them for telling Boris where to stick his vaccines and his passports.

And no, I’m not an anti-vaxxer. I had my third booster dose earlier this week.

I’ll happily be getting my booster - I’d rather minimise the risk of passing it onto my cev mum….and in the event I do get it I’d rather have it as mildly as possible! I had a friend who had it badly - her description of the pain and terror of not being able to get enough oxygen in was quite frankly horrific!!

I reckon there is quite a bit of overlap between Brexiters and antivaxxers. At least in my personal experience.

People will change their minds swiftly enough when they realise they’ll only be able to use hotels/cafes/services etc on the continent with recent vaccinations or 48 hourly (expensive!) PCRs….though it’ll be sadly prob be too late to avoided a mega rise in the winter numbers. Let’s hope I’m wrong🤞!

@bumbleymummy

Most EU countries that kept restrictions all summer are now seeing massive peaks so I’m not sure that really worked out for them. England are actually doing pretty well in comparison.

Please define ‘massive peaks’.

I’m in Germany. One of those countries that, according to UK media, is in a terrible situation right now despite all the restrictions.

The German national incidence peaked last week at 442 cases per 100k population. It’s already coming down and in the 420s right now.

The current UK national incidence is 488.2 - this is taken from the gov.uk data website. And it’s ever growing. And that’s lower than what it was in September/October... And Scotland is blue on the map, whereas most of England it’s purple - so England’s incidence is even higher than that.

Now I’d like to know, how is England, in your opinion, doing pretty well in comparison?

I’m not saying Germany is doing great. The numbers simply state that the UK is doing worse. The UK is doing worse than most of those countries reported to have massive peaks.

Yes, we’re having massive peaks compared with the ones we had last winter, but they’re all still well under the UK numbers, past or present. But that’s not what the UK media tells you, is it? Here in Germany we panic when we reach an incidence of 200. My friend’s LA education dept ditched masks in schools back in September when the local incidence was 900+.

I’m not making any of these numbers up. You can check them online, on reputable data sources. The media should check them out too, before giving selective information on how the EU is doing…

[quote bumbleymummy]@Iggly well ‘the science’ is currently worried that the vaccine doesn’t protect against the new omicron variant so of course it makes perfect sense to implement vaccine passports . The more sensible option, if they were genuinely concerned about spread in certain venues, would be to require negative tests from everyone.[/quote]
BBC News - Covid: Pfizer says booster shot promising against Omicron
www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-59582006

Nothing much on my SM re boosters, but a strong vocal that if BoJo introduced limits on socialising/gatherings at Christmas they will take absolutely no notice and carry on with plans regardless

@onewayanother

tulips27
“A lot will be paid troll farms in Russia/similar who have been trying to undermine our efforts all along.”

Spam bots are rife online- did you know that the majority of the comments on the Daily Mail are from bots.. don’t believe everything you read online! There are some good documentaries on the topic of bots; it’s true a lot of them are based in Russia & also N. Korea. They spread false information under thousands of fake profiles xo

When I was in a worse state mentally and fed up with restrictions I didn't want to do what I was told by the government just for its own sake. It's petulant but I completely understand the 'you are damaging my life, I'm not going to get your vaccine' thinking.

Restrictions only work as much as people obey them. I applaud those who don't get vaccines or wear masks. If everyone did it, vaccine passports or mask rules wouldn't exist.

I've submitted to unreasonable state intervention but well done to those who stand up to it even if it is futile

@Nancydrawn

Pfizer's reported today that the booster means that it works very well against omicron.

If you want to get omicron for kicks, I suppose you can have at it.

But why you wouldn't get a safe, free, quick prevention from getting sick I'll never understand.

I bet they did - another poster shared a finance link that said "Omicron variant makes Moderna and Pfizer shareholders more than $10bn"

And of course Pfizer is an US company where Biden is trying to mandate endless compulsory jabs and it's partner BioNtech is German where the vaccine is also heading towards being compulsory in the New Year.

The new restrictions only take us back to early summer.

For the next week, at least.

Glad to get my booster this weekend, regardless.

I haven’t seen evidence of people on my sm refusing boosters- I will have mine still- a sort of ‘refusal protest’ won’t help us in any way so may aswell protect yourself as much as you can! A much better way to protest against the current government is to not vote for them. They are a joke and this behaviour is nothing new from the tories is it. They’re just getting caught out more frequently. But they have no incentive to change their behaviour if people still vote for them.. better to have the booster; then never vote Tory again!! X

@EileenGC we all know you join just to bash the uk
But lets be honest you have had much stricter rules and have more land mass etc yet that still didn't stop the virus and numbers jumping .

[quote tulips27]@onewayanother

They did it before, or didn't you know that?

www.theguardian.com/society/2018/aug/23/russian-trolls-spread-vaccine-misinformation-on-twitter[/quote]
Lots of countries have very active troll farms. Uk has one also.

@saraclara

How stupid does someone like this have to be to cut off their nose to spite their face? Boris isn't going to know about this grand statement that they're making, and they just increase their chances of getting the damn thing and missing out on Christmas/New Year stuff.

Jeeze, it's depressing.

Absolutely true People are idiots if they think refusing a booster does anything useful

@EileenGC

I would call that a peak. And my point was that all your restrictions and vaccine passports that you’ve had for months didn’t stop it happening. You’re looking at current U.K. incidence - not England on its own. Scotland, Wales and NI kept masks and have more restrictions and aren’t faring as well as England either.

@Libertaire

Many young healthy people only got vaccinated because they believed the government when it said this was the way to get their freedoms back and their lives back to normal.

Now that the government is proving that it lied to them, and that it has absolutely no intention of ever removing restrictions on people’s lives I don’t blame them for telling Boris where to stick his vaccines and his passports.

And no, I’m not an anti-vaxxer. I had my third booster dose earlier this week.

I hate this government, but saying that they lied is a bit unfair. Omicron wasn't even a twinkle in a viral eye back then.

Had we still only been dealing with Delta, getting fully vaccinated would indeed have got freedoms back.

@ichundich as I said in my previous post, most people only have 2 atm and ring be eligible for a third for a while (timing wise). So a better idea to test everyone for entry to certain venues, yes?

I haven't seen people saying they won't get boosters. I'm not in the UK at the moment, but unless I'm missing something the Plan B (England) restrictions being reported don't seem that restrictive.

The European Commission have a proposal - out for EU Member State approval for implementation in early January 2022 - which would place an end limit of 9 months on proof of vaccination. This would impact both vaccination status for international travellers to the EU and validity of the "Green Pass" or equivalent in EU countries that use it. Might make the booster shot more popular for UK'ers planning to travel in continental Europe next year.

And I think people don’t realise that many young people didn’t have the vaccine to ‘protect themselves’ - they weren’t worried about their risk from the virus. They wanted to travel and to ‘get their freedom back’ so they’re pretty pissed that they went along with it and are now not getting those freedoms they were promised and are being asked to take another dose.

[quote worriedatthemoment]@EileenGC we all know you join just to bash the uk
But lets be honest you have had much stricter rules and have more land mass etc yet that still didn't stop the virus and numbers jumping .
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Wow, someone finally got the reason why I join threads on Mumsnet

I have never once ‘bashed’ the UK. I don’t even understand why I’d bash the country that is still home for me and where 90% of my family and friends live, and which I also happen to like and miss.

What I can’t stand is people going along with the ‘X country is doing so badly’ when they haven’t bothered to check if it’s true? So I simply point out the facts - if you don’t like them, that’s not my fault.

And I’m sorry but this is a virus and no amount of land mass will make it less of a virus. All countries have seen numbers rise, regardless of restrictions. But it’s still wrong to say ‘look at how bad they’re doing, we’ve had ‘freedom’ since July and are doing pretty well in comparison’. When that’s factually incorrect.

@milly74

i have had my booster but would have cancelled it if waiting for appointment. There is no point, vaccination or not. restrictions are here to stay on an on and off basis

You seriously think the only point of vaccinations is to stave off restrictions? Haven't you see the way our death rate went down once vaccinations were introduced?

How convenient that Boris should announce restrictions on the same day of the news about his Christmas party. Distraction b any chance ?

So tired of this now. I'm not having my booster until I know for sure it will protect against Omicron and then only once I know it's worth it.

i'll still be getting my booster to protect myself not exactly fit and healthy but boris and co can get stuffed on the rest