Omg my social media feeds are going crazy!

[november90]

Literally everyone posting about refusing the boosters now after he back and forth with restrictions and the government breaking the rules etc! I can't believe it!
Anyone else seeing the same thing?
I wonder if it is like this in other countries who have reintroduced restrictions etc.

This is not my view btw, I'm happy to take my booster but obviously very annoyed with new restrictions too. So hope my sons Nativity isn't cancelled :(

@AlexaShutUp

Haven't seen anything like this. Most of my friends are reasonably intelligent, though.

Not getting a booster to spite the government...I mean, you'd have to be pretty thick really. Get it or don't get it, but ffs, have a vaguely logical reason for your decision.

Absolutely this! People resisting restrictions and vaccines to spite Boris……they aren’t for Boris benefit

@AlexaShutUp

Haven't seen anything like this. Most of my friends are reasonably intelligent, though.

Not getting a booster to spite the government...I mean, you'd have to be pretty thick really. Get it or don't get it, but ffs, have a vaguely logical reason for your decision.

Exactly this. Lots of health professionals and other frontline workers on my friends list. People who have put themselves in harms way to protect others. They aren't going to petulantly refuse a vaccine or refuse to adhere to guidelines.

I haven't seen anything except a few jokes about having a party.

We need more effective vaccines against this disease. The ones we have are not fit for purpose. An effective vaccine would completely eliminate infection, transmission, disease & death in those who had received it, with just a few exceptional breakthrough cases here and there.

These shoddy vaccines we have may also, theoretically, contribute to more deadly variants spreading. See leaky vaccine hypothesis: www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4516275/

The pharmaceutical companies need to get back to the drawing board and come up with something better, but what incentive have they to do so, given the multibillion bonanza they're enjoying. Pfizer CEO is already shilling a fourth dose, ffs!

@Lovely13

In the name of Mary, Jesus and the sweet donkey, just get the jabs and stop this merry go round of nonsense. You’d have had your childhood jabs. You’re still ok. We’d all still be dying from diphtheria etc without vaccines.

We as a nation have got the jabs, but the goal posts keep moving.

2 jabs and we are good
2 jabs and a booster and we are good
actually 2 jabs, a booster and papers and we are good

I think its clear this awful government isn't going to protect us - so I'm doing everything I can to protect myself - including the booster. But I'm older and i worry about the risk of long covid.
Its not hurting the gov to refuse boosters.
I understand the anger but responding by refusing boosters isn't logical.

@Rocaille

We need more effective vaccines against this disease. The ones we have are not fit for purpose. An effective vaccine would completely eliminate infection, transmission, disease & death in those who had received it, with just a few exceptional breakthrough cases here and there.

These shoddy vaccines we have may also, theoretically, contribute to more deadly variants spreading. See leaky vaccine hypothesis: www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4516275/

The pharmaceutical companies need to get back to the drawing board and come up with something better, but what incentive have they to do so, given the multibillion bonanza they're enjoying. Pfizer CEO is already shilling a fourth dose, ffs!

All the vaccines we use in this country are more effective than many other vaccines we use regularly.

They exceeded expectations for effectiveness which was hailed as amazing.

We can't make variant specific vaccines which may be more effective until we have a variant identified to combat. This takes time. To both engineer, manufacture and then roll out.

May I ask how you intend to make the best science in the world better? Some of the vaccines are over 90% effective. Even AZ is regarded as massively effective and it saved a lot of lives simply because it was available when alternatives were not.

Posts like this defy intelligence and understanding of how ground breaking and effective covid vaccines have been and compare to other vaccines.

No vaccine is 100% effective. Humans have various comorbities which interfere with effectiveness. Some people have genetics which are more vulnerable.

Go away and learn something. Maybe become a scientist specialising in vaccine development if you really think they are doing a bad job.

This has to be one of the most ignorant posts ive seen on the subject. And thats saying something.

Well said, RedToothBrush.

These vaccines may be ground breaking and very effective in comparison to other vaccines and I don't doubt the hard work, collective effort and brain power that has gone into producing them.

But we still have to be honest and realistic about their limitations.

Honestly I'm beyond caring whether or not other folks protect themselves with the vaccine or booster. If they get long Covid it'll help those who already have it and just add to the numbers and help focus research. So good luck to them. I certainly won't be offering them any sympathy. If they roll the dice they have to accept the consequences. And that includes infecting others and finding out about it.

@RedToothBrush, we have cases surging and hospitals filling up with vaccinated people who are seriously unwell with Covid. Death rates in the US are higher since the vaccination programme than before it. How can you possibly claim this as a resounding success?

My point was as much about financial incentives as anything else. The pharmaceutical companies abandon lines of research which are vitally important in human terms if they consider them to be insufficiently remunerative, which is hardly surprising since they are fundamentally businesses, not the hallowed temples of scientific endeavour that they have been portrayed as since this pandemic began. Of course, the individual scientists have worked incredible hard and achieved a remarkable thing in devising a completely novel vaccine, but if the incentives don't change, they may not have the opportunity to create improved versions, just endless iterations of a fundamentally faulty product.

I'd like to see much greater political pressure on the pharmaceutical companies, which need to be accountable to both patients and tax payers. Please, let's have less hero worship.

Ps, one further comment. It's telling how quickly the self-anointed intellectuals resort to name calling and insults when challenged.

[quote Rocaille]@RedToothBrush, we have cases surging and hospitals filling up with vaccinated people who are seriously unwell with Covid. Death rates in the US are higher since the vaccination programme than before it. How can you possibly claim this as a resounding success?

My point was as much about financial incentives as anything else. The pharmaceutical companies abandon lines of research which are vitally important in human terms if they consider them to be insufficiently remunerative, which is hardly surprising since they are fundamentally businesses, not the hallowed temples of scientific endeavour that they have been portrayed as since this pandemic began. Of course, the individual scientists have worked incredible hard and achieved a remarkable thing in devising a completely novel vaccine, but if the incentives don't change, they may not have the opportunity to create improved versions, just endless iterations of a fundamentally faulty product.

I'd like to see much greater political pressure on the pharmaceutical companies, which need to be accountable to both patients and tax payers. Please, let's have less hero worship.[/quote]
Because i have a brain cell and dont read conspiracy theory bollocks.

I understand statistics better than most so i can assess things within jumping to looney tunes conclusions.

I also have a grasp of reality.

Hth

@Rocaille

Ps, one further comment. It's telling how quickly the self-anointed intellectuals resort to name calling and insults when challenged.

I don't engage further with bad faith posters pushing anti vax agendas.

They are trying to make better vaccines but it in order to do so they need access to the existing vaccines to use as a placebo because it would now be unethical to use the unvaccinated.
They can't get access to the existing vaccines which is just depressingly predictable. No doubt they also won't get the same funding/fast tracking or bending of rules like Pfizer got. So we will see where priorities really do lie going forward

Good Lord, do we really have plonkers who would not have a vaccine to spite Boris? So presumably if they moved to, say, Canada, or ROI, or Tonga, they would have a vaccine then? Makes no sense!

@DottyHarmer

Good Lord, do we really have plonkers who would not have a vaccine to spite Boris? So presumably if they moved to, say, Canada, or ROI, or Tonga, they would have a vaccine then? Makes no sense!

I think there's an epidemic of brain cells falling out of ears. Vaccines don't work for that either. So obviously all vaccines dont work and should be banned forever. Those of us who have had then should all suing pfizer for damages and demanding for the removal of vaccines from our immune system and for the loss of job opportunities after its stunted our ability to perform to our best in our careers. (But obviously not AZ because having AZ is an act of patriotism.)

Sorry what was the latest bullshit trope on social media? I don't think Im fully up to date.

@Rocaille You are right about the potential problems for the improved next generation vaccines which are being highlighted -
"The world still needs more — and better — Covid-19 vaccines. But a major hurdle stands in the way of the development of new vaccines, as well as the critical studies needed to determine the best way to use these important tools, the Coalition for Epidemic Preparedness Innovations (CEPI) warned in a letter published Tuesday in the journal Nature."

www.statnews.com/2021/09/07/cepi-warns-of-major-hurdle-to-developing-new-covid-19-vaccines-boosters/

Have to laugh at “we need more effective vaccines against this disease”. What insight ! You know what I think? That “they should find a cure for cancer” (it’s always a “they”). How very dare Big Pharma be sitting around twiddling their thumbs and making no effort to cure cancer/dementia/herpes…. But in any case I’m not taking
their drugs anyway because they are trying to control us.

Some people also have short memories: the footage of hospitals in Bergamo back in Feb 2020 would be enough to drive the most hesitant into the vaccine centre. It’s like those who say they’re not getting their child vaccinated against polio because there is no polio any more….

Yes, and those who say polio is only a mild disease anyway...

@bumbleymummy

Oh stop being ridiculous RTB. You can make some very good points but you lose all credibility when you start ranting about people wanting to ‘ban all vaccines forever’.

Im past caring.

Even i run out of patience with idiots and reserve the right to do so occasionally.

@howdiditcometothis666, thanks for that informative link. I hadn't realised that contractual constraints are playing a part in this, but it stands to reason. We've got a huge surplus of doses: such a shame they can't be used for research! This bit's pretty shocking: 'the problem could be solved, if countries buying vaccine modify the contracts with suppliers. A number have initially indicated willingness, she said, but progress has stalled when they realize the amount of work involved.' Research needs to be a priority: we can't let vested interests block it.

But in any case I’m not taking
their drugs anyway because they are trying to control us. Is that directed at me? I'm in a front line clinical role in the NHS so I not only take the vaccines, I also promote them to the cohort I care for.

No @Rocaille, this is incorrect. Current US death rates are lower than they were at the peak in January. Where are you getting your data from? It is false.

And UK rates of hospitalisation / deaths etc are lower than they were a year ago ( pre vaccination).

Rates of UK Covid hospitalisation is HIGHER for the unvaccinated. Unvaccinated population is about 18% of eligible population, but makes up 40% of hospitalisations.

You are spreading misinformation. Please stop. And look at ONS data (rather than whatever your current source is).

I think the phrase, you can't argue with stupid springs to mind on this one. They will always beat you with their experience.

You will never convince a brainwashed antivaxxer differently.

In US, Covid deaths in 2020 vs Covid deaths in 2021, not a comparison with now vs. the last peak in January.

Rates of UK Covid hospitalisation is HIGHER for the unvaccinated. Unvaccinated population is about 18% of eligible population, but makes up 40% of hospitalisations. Yes, this is undoubtedly true. But still we are seeing a shockingly high number of vaccinated people being hospitalised with Covid.