What does plan B mean for those without vaccines?

[Nevertime]

So it looks like Plan B announced within the next couple of days,which seems to predominantly mean vaccine passports and wfh.

Everyone in this household is fully vaccinated, but one important person (to us) isn't.

Presumably the passports are to gain entry to certain venues so out of those it's carry on regardless?

Does it matter why they don't have the vaccine or what age they are?

@Wokemon

Does anyone see how actually mental this all is? Feel even a slight sense of foreboding? Anyone?

Yes. I think there's quite a lot of us, but it's hard to be heard over the baying mob.

@XenoBitch

It is her fault tho.... double vac and you take a pcr and continue to work whilst waiting for result!!! She isn't, so gets 10 days off

Every time

@RunAwayNow

Being asked not to be a public health hazard is not deprivation of your freedom.

Healthy, disease free people are not public health hazards.

You're statement is vile. I presume you're unaware that this type of sentiment has a historic precedent.

@Wokemon Yes!! More worrying than our freedom grabbing government though, are the people so happy to comply with their dictates.

The government have been merrily taking away our freedoms (I’m not talking about covid restrictions). People have been shouting about this but most people dont give a fuck because it doesn’t directly impact them - until now. This is what this government does!

I don’t mind having to produce a vaccine passport - because I think you can also produce a negative LFT as an alternative. They are freely available.

They’re currently accepting negative LFTs too. Although, other countries started out that way and then removed them as an option - Germany, Austria. It makes no sense IMO. Considering that vaccinated people can still have the virus, if they are concerned about spread in certain places, everyone should have up provide proof of a negative test.

@Wokemon

Does anyone see how actually mental this all is? Feel even a slight sense of foreboding? Anyone?

Present 🙋🏼‍♀️. There are more of us than would appear I think..

@AlaskaThunderfuckHiiiiiiiii

Probably a stupid question but will the scotland covid vaccine status app be accepted in England?

I want to know the opposite of this for a gig in Glasgow in January!

@Wokemon

Does anyone see how actually mental this all is? Feel even a slight sense of foreboding? Anyone?

Yes

@ThatsMySantaHisBeardIsSoFluffy I wonder if anyone here had already been to stuff in Scotland that required a passport from England? I have a screen shot on my phone of the letter with my vaccine status on as well

@bumbleymummy

They’re currently accepting negative LFTs too. Although, other countries started out that way and then removed them as an option - Germany, Austria. It makes no sense IMO. Considering that vaccinated people can still have the virus, if they are concerned about spread in certain places, everyone should have up provide proof of a negative test.

But if they really want to really stop the spread, England would have a lot more stricter restrictions like other countries, but we don't. My understanding is, looking at current positive cases with no restrictions until now, they don't mind about spread so much, but they don't want people to get seriously ill or die. The vaccinated is less likely to be seriously ill or die. But unvaccinated are more likely. So, this makes sense, imo.

@the80sweregreat

The anti vaxxers will dig their heels in even more :(

If that means they aren't allowed in nice places it keeps them away from the rest of us which is ideal as we won't have to deal with them being loons.

Quote from PM at press conference yesterday:

“ And that is why it is now the proportionate and responsible thing to move to Plan B
while continuing to work closely with our colleagues in the Devolved Administrations -

so we slow the spread of the virus,”

And if you think they’re trying to prevent hospitalisation then it would make more sense to speed up boosters, not introduce vaccine passports for nightclubs.

@MatildaIThink do you not know that the vaccine reduces your own risk of serious illness? Why do you want other people to have it so badly if you don’t think it protects you?

@NutCheeseBag

I am fully vaccinated and boosted. I am buggered if I will download a government app or carry identification papers or discuss my health though. I have told the restaurant that my party of 14 for Christmas lunch will be cancelling if a passport is required.

Why, when it's so easy to do?

Plan B is already in operation in many countries around the world. You have to “show your papers” (or app) to gain entry to public places, in some countries this even means going to work.

But what does “unvaccinated” actually mean? We tend to assume it’s those pesky anti-vaxxers who refuse all jabs. But actually the government has already planned for 3 monthly boosters, and maybe additional omicron vaccines. If you are late having your booster, or the computer messes up and it’s not recorded on your app, or you feel you have already had covid and don’t want any more boosters, was ill from side effects or whatever reason (freedom?) then you are instantly classed as unvaccinated. Let that sink in for a minute. You can be barred from all access. Including work. With no appeals. Does that fair to you, because it sounds very frightening to me.

If that means they aren't allowed in nice places it keeps them away from the rest of us which is ideal as we won't have to deal with them being loon

Sorry to piss on your chips but it doesn't mean any such thing. In Scotland the unvaccinated can go everywhere the vaccinated can, they just need to have a negative lat flow. Even then it's only for large events. The covid passes aren't required for restaurants, bars, cinemas, museums etc. Negative tests are accepted in place of vaccinations in most places, the difference being that other countries charge you whereas here they're free.

And if you think they’re trying to prevent hospitalisation then it would make more sense to speed up boosters, not introduce vaccine passports for nightclubs. hmm

But the people who go to the night clubs aren't likely to be elderly or vulnerable. And they are definitely speeding up boosters, aren't they? So, the both young and older people are covered from getting really ill.

@NutCheeseBag
I am fully vaccinated and boosted. I am buggered if I will download a government app or carry identification papers or discuss my health though. I have told the restaurant that my party of 14 for Christmas lunch will be cancelling if a passport is required.

Why make the restaurant suffer and lose all that money? Cutting off your nose to spite your face there.

it would make more sense to speed up boosters,

They're trying to do that, but there are obviously limits on how far and fast they can increase capacity and throughput. It's a massive logistical challenge - it's astonishing how fast they're being done already tbh.

@rainrainraincamedowndowndown young people are at low risk of ending up in hospital and can use lfts anyway so no, I don’t think this will encourage them to be vaccinated if they have decided against it for whatever reason. All it’s going to do is put pressure on the nightclub industry for now. I’m not sure it’s fair for them to be taking another hit when it will do little to a) reduce spread (see previous comment about needing everyone to test for that) and b) reduce hospitalisations because their main clientele are in the lower risk group.

I wonder if some of those complaining about the government having and tracking their personal information are so worried about Google, Amazon, Facebook etc tracking them?

@oneglassandpuzzled

I wonder if some of those complaining about the government having and tracking their personal information are so worried about Google, Amazon, Facebook etc tracking them?

^this

@bumbleymummy

Quote from PM at press conference yesterday:

“ And that is why it is now the proportionate and responsible thing to move to Plan B
while continuing to work closely with our colleagues in the Devolved Administrations -

so we slow the spread of the virus,”

And if you think they’re trying to prevent hospitalisation then it would make more sense to speed up boosters, not introduce vaccine passports for nightclubs.

Shhh. Don't tell anyone but the logistics on expanding the booster program aren't going too well.

Lets talk about mandatory vaccines when we cant get boosters into the arms of people who want them.

Incoming difficult problem for the government is that the omicron wave is going to hit full force before people get boosted.

They haven't even announced roll out to 35 - 40year olds. Many of whom are now 5 to 6 months post second jab already.

Even if its rolled out today, the dates to book in are still likely to be mid Jan. When the omicron problem is. (Keeping in mind it takes a few days for your immune system to respond to the jab).

Its a dead cat. The unvaccinated are a convenient scapegoat for this sorry incoming mess. Its partly setting it up now to avoid the difficult questions government has to answer for on piss poor roll out of jabs to 12 - 18 year olds and boosters to the under 40s.

Keep watching.

Its the new 'lets blame the immigrants'.

[quote bumbleymummy]@rainrainraincamedowndowndown young people are at low risk of ending up in hospital and can use lfts anyway so no, I don’t think this will encourage them to be vaccinated if they have decided against it for whatever reason. All it’s going to do is put pressure on the nightclub industry for now. I’m not sure it’s fair for them to be taking another hit when it will do little to a) reduce spread (see previous comment about needing everyone to test for that) and b) reduce hospitalisations because their main clientele are in the lower risk group.[/quote]
Looks at SA data.

Ponders.