What does plan B mean for those without vaccines?

[Nevertime]

So it looks like Plan B announced within the next couple of days,which seems to predominantly mean vaccine passports and wfh.

Everyone in this household is fully vaccinated, but one important person (to us) isn't.

Presumably the passports are to gain entry to certain venues so out of those it's carry on regardless?

Does it matter why they don't have the vaccine or what age they are?

@churchofthepoisonmind India absolutely has not reported an accurate death rate. You can't compare a country with robust reporting to there

What about SA? I think they may have reported fewer deaths than us despite a much lower vaccination rate. Their average age is much lower than ours though iirc.

[quote endlesscraziness]@churchofthepoisonmind India absolutely has not reported an accurate death rate. You can't compare a country with robust reporting to there [/quote]
I am guessing that is indeed the case @endlesscraziness
But they would have to be under-reporting by a magnitude of dozens to be on a par with the UK relatively speaking. Or Germany or most other European countries for that matter.
India has fared remarkably well all told after things were looking very dire with the Delta variant.
Surely scientists should be asking why so we can learn something? Am I missing something here?

[quote endlesscraziness]@churchofthepoisonmind India absolutely has not reported an accurate death rate. You can't compare a country with robust reporting to there [/quote]
I agree. There were some articles lately on how there was under reporting. Though I cba to look them up now.

@bumbleymummy

What about SA? I think they may have reported fewer deaths than us despite a much lower vaccination rate. Their average age is much lower than ours though iirc.

It's not just SA @bumbleymummy it is the whole of Africa pretty much. Remarkable how well they have coped without the vaccines!

@churchofthepoisonmind
I don't know why you are asking specific question to me, I never claimed to be an expert. But my guess is, if there's not a lot of virus to spread in the first place, there will be no transmission? But once the virus is there, there's no stopping it?

You can clearly see that from exploding transmission in SA?

Well I was thinking that SA reporting would probably be quite good/accurate.

My work colleague was rolling her eyes at Zimbabwe's numbers, she said they're not testing and there's huge numbers of deaths being reported in the villages. It's not that they don't have it, they aren't testing for it.

Our death rates were definitely hampered by the debacle with pushing the care homes full of untested patients and our high levels of people with diabetes and high blood pressure haven't helped but tbh I don't understand why we're so high compared to similar countries as it's not through lack of trying. We've had extremely robust reporting from the start so that may have made a big difference. I suspect India are off by factors of hundreds not dozens from data we were getting at the time

@Watapalava

To point out

I am double vax

I’m posting a suggestion to those who happen to be unvax given I know people who have used them

Personally I’m no safer around vax or unvax people so don’t care either way

Sorry and thanks for clarification. Did you say why you are no safer around vaxed or unvaxed people? Aren't the vaccinated less likely to transmit covid?

Jeez, Louise. The booster bunch really think the unvaccinated are the scourge of earth; it's rather comical. The vaccinated spread it just as easily as the unvaccinated.

Common sense has evidently left the country.

@Acinaces

Jeez, Louise. The booster bunch really think the unvaccinated are the scourge of earth; it's rather comical. The vaccinated spread it just as easily as the unvaccinated.

Common sense has evidently left the country.

Maybe the booster bunch have read the research that said boosters meant you were on average 90+% less likely to catch it in the first place

That being for delta, as far as I know no conclusions re omicron

@Leftbutcameback

This seems to be a long way from the original question (don’t know why I’m surprised on MN). The answer is that a negative LFT will also allow you entry. It’s your pass. My view is that if we have to have a pass system I would prefer everyone had to do an LFT, but guess the govt would think that was too expensive and difficult to administer.

Yes. I think also the fact that here they can be self-administered unlike many other countries sadly opens them up to similar abuse as that of pp advising unvaccinated people to buy fake passes on the internet. (Mind you, be in for a shock with those, as in other countries people have been caught out with fake ones as of course the QR readers pick it up)

@Acinaces
They'd have to have it to spread first though. Which is much less likely in a vaccinated person.

[quote PAFMO]@Acinaces
They'd have to have it to spread first though. Which is much less likely in a vaccinated person.[/quote]
Unless you are fully vaccinated and spread omicron, right?

^Several nations have imposed travel curbs on countries in southern Africa, while Hong Kong and Canada have barred non-resident travelers from Nigeria. South Korea said it detected the Omicron variant in fully vaccinated travelers who arrived last week from Nigeria.^

You're still less likely to have it, whichever variant it is.
The early sampling is showing that the vaccines are effective against Omicron, particularly if the booster has been administered. (The WHO issued an update on Wednesday)

@PAFMO

You're still less likely to have it, whichever variant it is. The early sampling is showing that the vaccines are effective against Omicron, particularly if the booster has been administered. (The WHO issued an update on Wednesday)

That might or might not be true - not questioning that point What I am saying is that if the vaccinated people don't have to get tested to enter venues /for international travel/ domestic purposes etc It IS NOT the tested and quarantining unvaccinated person who will spread it As per my example

@whynotwhatknot

i feel sorry for the elderly who will have to wait ages probably for a certificate to say theyre vaccinated all because they dont have a smartphone

Mine took less than a week