Boris Johnson set to approve new Plan B Covid restrictions

[WineGetsMeThroughIt]

Just been announced. But what will this entail I wonder. 🤔

news.sky.com/story/covid-19-boris-johnson-minded-to-move-to-plan-b-of-rules-this-week-sky-news-understands-12489880

And it spread around schools last October where I live so it’s already been and gone.

@Lostinacloud

For me a vaccine passport is a bit like making a one sided contract with the government. Do as they ask in order to be “allowed” your freedoms and you don’t really see the problem with them. Until they ask something you’re not comfortable or with, like endless vaccinations that haven’t been tested based upon being administered every 3-6 months or vaccinating your children as the only way for you and them to have access to life. It’s hideously dangerous and people MUST see it for what it is. It has no scientific reasoning so why is it necessary? People in the U.K. are not vaccine hesitant as a nation, over 80% of those eligible happily volunteered to be vaccinated.

I agree. It's a terrifying precedent to set. Anybody supporting this has no regard for their own freedom or bodily autonomy and will have only themselves to blame once it's gone.

I don't understand how Boris Johnson has the moral authority to ask anyone to do anything given the party revelations.

Probably best to get used to not going to the places that ask for these, its quite easy really, many non essential shops should have been put out of their misery in the first lockdown and just closed

Well DH won't be able to work from home tomorrow, he's got a team meeting tomorrow with a working lunch of sausage rolls, crisps, mincepies, but it's essential work like the party on 18 Dec last year, so ok.

I wonder if Boris be taking questions afterwards?!

@TokyoSushi

Serious question. What is the point of vaccine passports? Am I right in thinking that if you're vaccinated (I am and will be boosted tomorrow) it makes absolutely no difference to your ability to pass the virus on, just to hopefully, how sick you get if you do catch it?

So is the theory that if 'the unvaccinated' aren't allowed to attend anything, then they reduce their chances of getting sick?

Or is it just that they're trying to make not being vaccinated so restrictive that is forces people to get vaccinated?

Almost all of those in ITU with covid are unvaccinated. Keeping unvaccinated away from crowded indoor spaces will stop them getting ill, stop ITU filling up and stop other operations being cancelled. Plus if this was properly enforced you'd get an immediate spike in vaccination levels.

Whether you agree or disagree with this measure, it's clearly been brought in as a deflection tactic from the party story that is currently going round in the media.

They said they would review it in three weeks time which I think was due on the 18th and now all of a sudden it urgently needs to change today?

[quote WineGetsMeThroughIt]Just been announced. But what will this entail I wonder. 🤔

news.sky.com/story/covid-19-boris-johnson-minded-to-move-to-plan-b-of-rules-this-week-sky-news-understands-12489880[/quote]
A few days of speculation in the media to draw their attention away from last year’s Christmas parties at Downing Street.

@nojudgementhere exactly. I see it where I am. As I said earlier, people vaccinated in france and now subject to the covid passport will have them cancelled if they haven’t had a booster with 7 months of the last vaccine. No choice, it’s booster or no access to life. Even if you don’t want another vaccine or aren’t at risk of serious illness and also even if the previous dose caused you horrible side effects - tough, the government says you have to get another vaccine or they will cancel your freedom.

He can piss right off

@AlecTrevelyan006

Vaccination passports are the gateway to digital passports and a digital economy - that’s why governments across the globe want them

^This.

@TokyoSushi

Serious question. What is the point of vaccine passports? Am I right in thinking that if you're vaccinated (I am and will be boosted tomorrow) it makes absolutely no difference to your ability to pass the virus on, just to hopefully, how sick you get if you do catch it?

So is the theory that if 'the unvaccinated' aren't allowed to attend anything, then they reduce their chances of getting sick?

Or is it just that they're trying to make not being vaccinated so restrictive that is forces people to get vaccinated?

I’m afraid your wrong. Being vaccinated means you’re less likely to catch covid, so if you don’t have it you can’t pass it on and it also means if you have covid you are less likely to pass it on.

Clive Lewis (Labour MP) has just stated on politics live that he is against vaccine passports, on the basis that they are illiberal and don't really work.

Just as an aside for those posters who claim you must be some kind of right-wing loon to question where we're going with all this....

Sorry, don't agree with you at all there Lost. I know the British summer is not great but weather didn't cause the levels it has had consistently since then - cases were high because all controls were lifted.

I'll take advice from the medical experts on the need for additional boosters. Had my third last week very happily and delighted to hear that my daugher will be eligble from mid December.

@TokyoSushi

Serious question. What is the point of vaccine passports? Am I right in thinking that if you're vaccinated (I am and will be boosted tomorrow) it makes absolutely no difference to your ability to pass the virus on, just to hopefully, how sick you get if you do catch it?

So is the theory that if 'the unvaccinated' aren't allowed to attend anything, then they reduce their chances of getting sick?

Or is it just that they're trying to make not being vaccinated so restrictive that is forces people to get vaccinated?

This is how I feel. I know many fully vaccinated people who have had or have covid, I had it myself whilst fully vaccinated as did my dd and other family members, a friend has just got out of hospital after being very unwell, he was fully vaccinated. So how does ‘only allowing fully vaccinated people to access certain things/events’ stop the spread of covid? I know what they are trying to tell us but I don’t believe it’s true, yes it reduces the chance of becoming very unwell but I can see with my own eyes that it’s not stopping it spreading amongst vaccinated people.

I’m. It anti vax but I do have child that’s not vaccinated due to reactions to many vaccines over the years. I do think that it should be a choice.

@serengtisprinter

This government are a bunch of lying cunts

This all day every day

The evidence of "Your own eyes" are of course the best evidence. Who needs studies in peer reviewed journals? Meanwhile DH and I didnt catch Covid from DS because we were fully vaxxed. I have many other anecdotes. Whose anecdotes win?

@fallagain we know that vaccinated people get and transmit covid to some extent, albeit to a lesser extent than non vaxxed people. A vaccine passport therefore will not guarantee a covid free environment and therefore it's reasonable to question why it should be so heavily relied upon as a measure. Proof of LFT testing makes more sense to me, although also far from perfect.

No mention has been made so far of plan b. Just going on about the party 🤷‍♀️

I would support both a vaccine passport AND LFT testing. Double the protection.

Hmm, am I being cynical or is this a really good way to distract focus from the Christmas party hoo-ha?

Do you think it will mean from tmw? because surely all xmas events will get canx too?

Also, does anybody else remember the news reports a couple of months ago about how Plan B was predicted to cost the economy up to £18 billion? I would imagine they'll be keeping extremely quiet about that at the news conference later. It's amazing how this government keep finding such innovative and wonderful ways of wasting tax payers money.

Meh, no big deal, tbh.

@Teenagetrouble

Only real change to now would be working from home if you can. Wonder if there will be a press conference tonight

Presumably working from home will include 10 Downing Street so they won't be able to have a Christmas party this year, the poor dears.