What does everyone think about the banning of the unvaxxed in Germany?

[Katieandthekids]

I'm just interested in opinions. I personally believe that no one should ever force anyone to put something in their body.

Just as a side: I had both vaccines during my pregnancy and still not 100% sure I've done the right thing but in balance and after lots of my research believe 99% that it is fine. Totally respect the reasons people are nervous about it though.

@userperuser

riveted1

I never said the vaccines didn’t work I said there would be no discussion if people thought they did work as nobody would care who was and wasn’t vaccinated but apparently it’s because they aren’t 100%, maybe then in people’s minds 100% vaccination rate will make them 100% effective, who knows 🤷🏻‍♀️

If being anti mandated, forced, coerced vaccine makes me an anti vaccine conspiracy theorist I’m happy to take that label as I really couldn’t care less about people’s ignorance.

It's not 'other people's' ignorance you need to worry about...

OverTheRubicon

I don’t worry about other people’s comments either

@Dishhh - honestly, you are wasting your time trying to reason with people over the Australian quarantine methods. People in the UK are so much superior (in their eyes) to those of us who live in Australia or NZ (or anywhere that isn't the UK really). They haven't the faintest idea of how badly covid could affect indigenous populations. Of course they have all "seen footage" of something, which makes them experts. In actual fact they don't have a clue - they are probably more to be pitied than blamed.

[quote gofg]@Dishhh - honestly, you are wasting your time trying to reason with people over the Australian quarantine methods. People in the UK are so much superior (in their eyes) to those of us who live in Australia or NZ (or anywhere that isn't the UK really). They haven't the faintest idea of how badly covid could affect indigenous populations. Of course they have all "seen footage" of something, which makes them experts. In actual fact they don't have a clue - they are probably more to be pitied than blamed.[/quote]

It seems so. The arrogance of "I've seen some videos", "I have contacts" and "I've read stuff" over accounts from someone who actually lives here and is immersed in the issues is mind-boggling. It's quite a weird, superior attitude I find difficult to understand. I have never criticised England's approach to the pandemic as I don't live there and don't understand the minutiae of the politics or the population. So for someone else to do this without full knowledge, particularly with our indigenous population, it is insulting in the extreme.

@Dishhh - I totally agree. It's the superior tone of "I know more than you do, even though I live 12,000 miles away" that gets to me. As you said, it's arrogance.

@churchofthepoisonmind

@Dishhh I know what I and many others have seen with my own eyes. I know what I have heard from business contacts out there. I have seen some of the legislation which the Aus Government has passed which in all honesty is disgusting (maybe you are suggesting am imagining that?).
If you want to keep your head in the sand about the direction the Aus government has taken, fine.
But seriously, stop trying to gaslight others on this issue.

I don't care if you saw some videos, read some things, or have some contacts. 'Seeing with your own eyes' means 'in person' not via internet. Unless you live here, you have absolutely no idea whatsoever what you are talking about. If you stop reading and watching propaganda, you'd be better for it. (Your username is perfect, BTW.)

@OverTheRubicon

I think it's far more shocking that so many people throughout have been fine to condemn the vulnerable (and their families) to an incredibly limited life, because they don't want to get a vaccination or take basic precautions.

This.

I think it is dreadful.

And this is coming from some one who is doubly vaxxed and told to 'fuck the rules and regulations' by some one when I asked they put a mask or visor on when they came in to my clinic today. In fact I have had two males 'kick off' in two days over simple mask use.

In many countries there are already similar measures in place for other vaccines. For example in the US (not sure if certain states or everywhere) you can access the education system without vaccines and certain jobs also have a vaccine requirement. This isn't new.

These people still have a choice to vaccinate or not vaccinate. Choices have consequences and that can be part of the consideration as to whether or not to accept a vaccine.

To the anti vaxxers, why do you think diseases like polio, TB and AIDS aren’t as prevalent as they were? Because of vaccines and medication.
Vaccines and medications don’t work for everyone.
Take chemotherapy for cancer patients, it will work for some but not others, so should you refuse it in case it doesn’t work for you or accept the therapy as it may save your life?

Do you remember the thalidomide scandal? The government insisted it was safe and it took 60 years to ' discover' what caused the birth defects

I wish people wouldn't keep trotting out this one. It's in no way comparable, not least because thalidomide isn't a vaccine. And, by the way, it is still used even though, in fact, it remains uncertain what causes birth defects.

If the vaccine was the ultimate gift from god and saved all our problems etc etc I would still advocate free choice. It’s a very dark road to go down it really is

I do hope everyone who believes this is regularly demonstrating outside the embassies of countries that require Yellow Fever vaccinations before they will allow entry. Because surely that is equally a very dark road to go down?

Interesting article on Robert Malone here

I do hope everyone who believes this is regularly demonstrating outside the embassies of countries that require Yellow Fever vaccinations before they will allow entry. Because surely that is equally a very dark road to go down?

Because my ability to travel let's say to Togo is comparable with me being able to use public transport in my home country, right???
Or being threatened with regular fines or imprisonment?
Also you can't compare yellow fewer vaccine (one off for lifetime) with endless covid vaccine boosters.
And that's not taking into account the differences between the actual illnesses

@churchofthepoisonmind

You seriously think Robert Malone or any other 'conspiracy theorists' are making money out of this *@ollyollyoxenfree* ? So how does that work then? Who is paying them? No mainstream advertiser is going to touch them with a barge pole. Any decent academia career is a no-no. So who is funding them?

How very naive. You simply need to click on one of his videos to see that adverts are attached. You don't need mainstream advertisers to make a lot of money out of a Youtube channel - witness the success of very niche channels for various hobbies. For all his followers dark conspiracy theories, he hasn't been demonetised by YouTube.

@MrsBillyNoJagNoMates

I do hope everyone who believes this is regularly demonstrating outside the embassies of countries that require Yellow Fever vaccinations before they will allow entry. Because surely that is equally a very dark road to go down?

Because my ability to travel let's say to Togo is comparable with me being able to use public transport in my home country, right???
Or being threatened with regular fines or imprisonment?
Also you can't compare yellow fewer vaccine (one off for lifetime) with endless covid vaccine boosters.
And that's not taking into account the differences between the actual illnesses

Well, yes. If you are talking about dark roads, that's the start of it. If it isn't, where do you draw the line?

So far as fines and imprisonment are concerned, were you out demonstrating last year against all the rules around mixing households, limited exercise, etc?

Do you remember the thalidomide scandal? The government insisted it was safe and it took 60 years to ' discover' what caused the birth defects

Thalidomide is a drug, not a vaccine. Also I remember when I was quite young hearing about children who had birth defects attributed to the drug - it certainly did not take 60 years!!!!

@gofg

Do you remember the thalidomide scandal? The government insisted it was safe and it took 60 years to ' discover' what caused the birth defects

Thalidomide is a drug, not a vaccine. Also I remember when I was quite young hearing about children who had birth defects attributed to the drug - it certainly did not take 60 years!!!!

What difference does the fact it's a drug make?

Well, yes. If you are talking about dark roads, that's the start of it. If it isn't, where do you draw the line?

So far as fines and imprisonment are concerned, were you out demonstrating last year against all the rules around mixing households, limited exercise, etc?

Sorry I wasn't talking about dark roads
I just commented on you comparing yellow fever vaccine to covid jag

And no, I didn't demonstrate last year against lockdown
As it was a temporary measure and if more people followed through with it covid would had spread less
I do object to mandatory vaccination though
As if you suffer with (very rare) side effect they might be life limiting (or threatening)
And if you live most of your life on wrong side of statistics you'd risk your health more than most of the people
Which sadly most of the people don't seem to understand

@Careve

To the anti vaxxers, why do you think diseases like polio, TB and AIDS aren’t as prevalent as they were? Because of vaccines and medication. Vaccines and medications don’t work for everyone. Take chemotherapy for cancer patients, it will work for some but not others, so should you refuse it in case it doesn’t work for you or accept the therapy as it may save your life?

Can you really not see why some people may be hesitant or not want this vaccine? There would be less hesitancy if without it, most people were facing death or this was a one off eradication vaccine. So many people have recovered without any interventions and add in the (low numbers of) vaccine deaths from blood clots plus the rapid waning efficacy and many people are confused. The answer is reassurance and education, not coercion and threats. There should also be more education on vulnerability factors. Let people know quite clearly that if they are obese, elderly or have comorbidities then their risk of severe covid or death is very high indeed.

“I don't care if you saw some videos, read some things, or have some contacts. 'Seeing with your own eyes' means 'in person' not via internet. Unless you live here, you have absolutely no idea whatsoever what you are talking about. If you stop reading and watching propaganda, you'd be better for it. (Your username is perfect, BTW.)”

So now all news is propaganda?
It’s those who do not want to dutifully comply and want to make a stand that is make the news. For those that are complying, there’s probably not much to see.

@DayKay

So now all news is propaganda?
It’s those who do not want to dutifully comply and want to make a stand that is make the news. For those that are complying, there’s probably not much to see.

No, just the dodgy sources of the particular poster I was replying to.

As the rest of your post, it doesn't even make sense.

I think most of our news is propaganda of a sort nowadays. That’s why you get people coming here and to other social media platforms to find out what’s really going on.

I've changed my view on this slightly. I still don't think there is any justification at all for forcing people to be vaccinated.

However, if the article in today's Times is true, then there is an argument for telling people who are unvaccinated that they cannot go to crowded events because it is too much of a risk to them and a burden on health services, if they catch covid and are very ill.

That's without all the moralising and virtue signalling about "if you don't get vaccinated you don't deserve to take part in society" - it is simply saying "if you are not vaccinated, it is too risky for you eg to go to a cinema".

However, I would not extend it to any shops or public transport - only large events and venues (indoors).

And it would have to be time-limited - eg for three months.

I do hope everyone who believes this is regularly demonstrating outside the embassies of countries that require Yellow Fever vaccinations before they will allow entry

I don't know why everyone always raises this. I can live my whole life very happily without needing to travel to a country that requires yellow fever certificates. It's a bit different being told you can't buy a coffee in your own town without having a vaccine.