What does everyone think about the banning of the unvaxxed in Germany?

[Katieandthekids]

I'm just interested in opinions. I personally believe that no one should ever force anyone to put something in their body.

Just as a side: I had both vaccines during my pregnancy and still not 100% sure I've done the right thing but in balance and after lots of my research believe 99% that it is fine. Totally respect the reasons people are nervous about it though.

@Tavelo

People happy to dance to the tune how how many vaccines the government has bought for them and apparently unconcerned that we no longer have any sort of health system lmao. So over this population.

Just heard in the news that GPs are being told thy don’t need to offer routine care for the over 75s for the next three months!! No one seems to be batting an eyelid. I get texts every week to say there are no GPs available for non emergencies at my surgery. This has just become normal now.

But of course you'll be able to see a doctor if you're willing to cough up the money.

Yes I can’t understand why private medical services seem completely unaffected! . If it was a case of Covid presenting a threat surely that applies to both services? People in shops still have to serve customers. Why can’t GPs see patients?

Because GPs are upper middle class and shop workers are working class. We like to ignore the class divide most of the time but things like the pandemic tend to unmask it's repulsivemess. GPs were also vaccinated before shop workers, and unlike shop workers they have never been made to enforce mask wearing and social distancing to members of the general public without training or it being part of their working contract.

*its

To whoever suggested a middle group, it will not happen; it will not be allowed to happen.
At the start of this pandemic, there was a concerted effort to divide people into those who supported lockdown, mass vaccination and so on.
And anybody else. Anybody else was basically branded anti-vax, covidiot, conspiracy theorist and so on.
Let's be 100 per cent clear here. These phrases do not come about by accident. They do not start trending on Twitter by accident - the algorithm does not work that way. Somebody paid a lot of money to create this narrative and the pharmaceutical sector is the most likely culprit given it has had most to benefit financially from vaxxing folk up to the eyeballs (and to anybody who starts frothing about me daring to question the pharma sector, just look at the fines it has paid out in recent years - these guys are in it for the money, nothing else. There is nothing wrong with that but let's at least call a spade a spade here).
Long-story short - anybody going along with the above phrases, these silly divisions, is being played (whether they know it/like it or not).
Of course there should be a middle ground for heaven's sake. Of course there should be nuance. And of course people should be allowed to ask questions about the science, about the lockdown policies, about the efficacy of vaccines without the threat of stigma. It's an absolute joke that one has been forced to fall into one of two camps of either agreeing with everything we are told or being barking mad.

To be fair this thread wouldn’t exist if people thought they did work. nobody would give a second thought to who was vaccinated and there certainly wouldn’t be any need for vaccine mandates.

Pp poster about vaccine efficacy.

Ffs. Yes the vaccines work. No they are not 100% effective. Neither of these points are disputed by any reputable source I am aware of and anybody who suggests otherwise is in my view a conspiracy theorist.

@DayKay

Australia is interesting as it does look like some kind of hell hole with mandates for many workers, quarantine camps, angry dictating politicians and protests. Obviously, it affects those who don’t want to comply more.

It is none of those things. Australia is getting on just fine, actually. I find it odd when anyone on here says otherwise and wonder where they're getting it from.

Just heard in the news that GPs are being told thy don’t need to offer routine care for the over 75s for the next three months!!

People will die as a result of that policy. That will contribute to the excess deaths figures which are one of the major statistics used to harangue people about the severity of Covid. It will be very convenient for some people.

Counterproductive and unethical - I have had 3 vaccines so not anti Vax. I think vaccination is a risk assessment and for me the risks of the disease outweighs the risks of vaccine. But I can see why others might go the other way.

And all it will do is convince conspiracy theorists that there is a conspiracy. And it might make others who think there is no conspiracy that there is actually a conspiracy.

"It is none of those things. Australia is getting on just fine, actually. I find it odd when anyone on here says otherwise and wonder where they're getting it from."
They certainly are not getting it from the mainstream media. I have seen dozens of videos of police brutality in Aus, @Dishhh - they are even making their way onto LinkedIn. In one, an elderly lady is trampled to the ground and pepper sprayed in the face while on an anti-lockdown march (probably deserved it according to some); in another, a young woman is being virtually picked up by her neck by a police officer. These are NOT anecdotal accounts, there are videos I have seen with my own eyes and which have been viewed 100,000s of times.

@churchofthepoisonmind

To whoever suggested a middle group, it will not happen; it will not be allowed to happen. At the start of this pandemic, there was a concerted effort to divide people into those who supported lockdown, mass vaccination and so on. And anybody else. Anybody else was basically branded anti-vax, covidiot, conspiracy theorist and so on. Let's be 100 per cent clear here. These phrases do not come about by accident. They do not start trending on Twitter by accident - the algorithm does not work that way. Somebody paid a lot of money to create this narrative and the pharmaceutical sector is the most likely culprit given it has had most to benefit financially from vaxxing folk up to the eyeballs (and to anybody who starts frothing about me daring to question the pharma sector, just look at the fines it has paid out in recent years - these guys are in it for the money, nothing else. There is nothing wrong with that but let's at least call a spade a spade here). Long-story short - anybody going along with the above phrases, these silly divisions, is being played (whether they know it/like it or not). Of course there should be a middle ground for heaven's sake. Of course there should be nuance. And of course people should be allowed to ask questions about the science, about the lockdown policies, about the efficacy of vaccines without the threat of stigma. It's an absolute joke that one has been forced to fall into one of two camps of either agreeing with everything we are told or being barking mad.

So true.

Have you seen the footage of the police horse being punched in the face by a young man protesting in Sydney?

I don’t understand this surprise about opinions about Australia. There’s so much in the media about what goes on around the world, people read and watch news.
Here are a couple of articles, as a few seem to be unaware.
I’m happy to engage with people in conversation and to understand as there is always more to learn, but just to dismiss any opinions or questions is a bit odd.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-australia-58647483

www.independent.co.uk/news/world/australasia/australia-covid-quarantine-howard-springs-b1967561.html

@churchofthepoisonmind fab post though really depressing.

@churchofthepoisonmind

To whoever suggested a middle group, it will not happen; it will not be allowed to happen. At the start of this pandemic, there was a concerted effort to divide people into those who supported lockdown, mass vaccination and so on. And anybody else. Anybody else was basically branded anti-vax, covidiot, conspiracy theorist and so on. Let's be 100 per cent clear here. These phrases do not come about by accident. They do not start trending on Twitter by accident - the algorithm does not work that way. Somebody paid a lot of money to create this narrative and the pharmaceutical sector is the most likely culprit given it has had most to benefit financially from vaxxing folk up to the eyeballs (and to anybody who starts frothing about me daring to question the pharma sector, just look at the fines it has paid out in recent years - these guys are in it for the money, nothing else. There is nothing wrong with that but let's at least call a spade a spade here). Long-story short - anybody going along with the above phrases, these silly divisions, is being played (whether they know it/like it or not). Of course there should be a middle ground for heaven's sake. Of course there should be nuance. And of course people should be allowed to ask questions about the science, about the lockdown policies, about the efficacy of vaccines without the threat of stigma. It's an absolute joke that one has been forced to fall into one of two camps of either agreeing with everything we are told or being barking mad.

Excellent post!

A handful of us have repeatedly refuted the offensive comparisons of Howard Springs quarantine centre to concentration camps. AS "covid camps", if you can't be bothered reading the threads of the last two days.

Hello. We're getting reports about posts that make comparisons with the current situation to Nazi Germany and the Holocaust. Please bear in mind how offensive this comparison is, especially to Jewish people. Posters who repeatedly post such comments may have their accounts suspended.

@churchofthepoisonmind

"It is none of those things. Australia is getting on just fine, actually. I find it odd when anyone on here says otherwise and wonder where they're getting it from." They certainly are not getting it from the mainstream media. I have seen dozens of videos of police brutality in Aus, *@Dishhh* - they are even making their way onto LinkedIn. In one, an elderly lady is trampled to the ground and pepper sprayed in the face while on an anti-lockdown march (probably deserved it according to some); in another, a young woman is being virtually picked up by her neck by a police officer. These are NOT anecdotal accounts, there are videos I have seen with my own eyes and which have been viewed 100,000s of times.

Ah, the "elderly lady being pepper sprayed in the face". That has been long debunked. She was a young lady wearing a wig actually.

@milkyaqua

Have you seen the footage of the police horse being punched in the face by a young man protesting in Sydney?

I saw it and yes it is disgusting. It does not take away from the broader issue however of alarming use of police brutality against protestors. This is about the fundamentals of democracy. The problem is that so many people have allowed their views about this pandemic to cloud their judgement. Essentially, if it is an anti-lockdown protest, anything goes. Democracy does not work that way. You can't switch it on and off according to whether you agree with the cause of the protestors.

Ah, the "elderly lady being pepper sprayed in the face". That has been long debunked. She was a young lady wearing a wig actually
Oh silly me! I didn't realise it was a young lady! Well spray away then!

@userperuser

This should be a fucking MN sticky. I am tired of posters saying the vaccines don't work

To be fair this thread wouldn’t exist if people thought they did work. nobody would give a second thought to who was vaccinated and there certainly wouldn’t be any need for vaccine mandates.

If you think vaccines don't work then I don't think you're able to rationally discuss vaccination policy tbh @userperuser

It's like trying to have a conversation about alcohol bans with someone who thinks the idea it makes you intoxicated is a conspiracy theory

I hope germany and others are able to tackle these issues with declining uptake without these kind of measures - beyond anything else it just leads to all the kind of anti-vaccine nonsense you see on these threads

@milkyaqua I wouldn’t make the comparison either but I still find it shocking that they exist and teenagers who tested negative felt the need to escape from them.

@BamboozledandBefuddled

Just heard in the news that GPs are being told thy don’t need to offer routine care for the over 75s for the next three months!!

People will die as a result of that policy. That will contribute to the excess deaths figures which are one of the major statistics used to harangue people about the severity of Covid. It will be very convenient for some people.

Before the outrage would quite like to see a link with the actual verified details on this....

@churchofthepoisonmind

I saw it and yes it is disgusting. It does not take away from the broader issue however of alarming use of police brutality against protestors. This is about the fundamentals of democracy. The problem is that so many people have allowed their views about this pandemic to cloud their judgement. Essentially, if it is an anti-lockdown protest, anything goes.
Democracy does not work that way. You can't switch it on and off according to whether you agree with the cause of the protestors.

Or did you see the footage when protesters took the time to wee and defecate on the Shrine of Remembrance? So respectful and really recruited many people to the cause.