Anti vaxxers question *title edited by MNHQ at OP's request*

[whywouldntyou]

Watching the local news last week our local hospitals ITU is 6/8 full with covid patients. All unvaccinated. Youngest is 20 with no underlying heath conditions. I am continually hearing about covid patients in or just out of ITU saying 'I wish I'd got the jab'.

How do you (as an anti vaxxer) reconcile your attitude but still expecting to be treated in ITU? If they said ' right, no jab, no ITU bed' would you still refuse the vaccine?

What would it (genuinely) take for you to have the jab having seen all the other anti vaxxers encouraging people to have it after realising how ill they were?

No, you're right, most people, in fact nobody at all that I know, have died from smoking a cigarette.
And I'm often surprised by heavy smokers I know who seem pretty healthy and don't need hospital treatment, at least not yet anyway.
Point is though, they aren't being persuaded into getting a vaccine they don't need are they?

Suffolk, I'm highly unlikely to need itu care. On the very small chance I did need it, I really don't know. I'd like to say no, actually, what will be will be, survival of the fittest, if its my time etc, but I must also weigh that against the fact I'm a mum with children who need me. So possibly I would. As is my right.

Oh sorry, ebola, yes, I said upthread it would be a different answer. I think the risks from ebola are way bigger so yes I'd get a vaccine for that.

I really don't want to do down anyone who has suffered from covid, and lost their lives or loved ones. I do k ow it can be serious, can be fatal. But those cases really are the small minority. To me it's a small risk. To most people it is, but it's not for me to tell others not to get a vaccine because I think their risk is low, that's their choice, as it should be.

I've had my jabs but the only reason is so I can go on holiday and not have to piss about self isolating. With a 99% recovery rate I've more chance being knocked over by a bus.

@Bluepinkyellowcakes

Suffolk, I'm highly unlikely to need itu care. On the very small chance I did need it, I really don't know. I'd like to say no, actually, what will be will be, survival of the fittest, if its my time etc, but I must also weigh that against the fact I'm a mum with children who need me. So possibly I would. As is my right.

You absolutely should have a right to ITU care.

I was an ITU nurse for over 20 years and looked after plenty of people who needed care because of drinking too much, taking drugs, being overweight, smokers etc etc

I looked after them all equally and without judgement.

Some might argue that they had "caused" their health crises that led to ITU admission and therefore should have been denied care, in much the same way some would say that the unvaccinated should be too.

Its a slippery slope.

They get paid enough, they also have great discount schemes and sick pay, I have family in NHS so I know this. They also got a shed load of freebies for erm, doing their job, and a hell of a lot of them sat round doing not very much. Those tik tok routines took some practice didn't they. They didn't look exhausted. Of course some would have been, some would have been very busy, bu to know that there were loads who were bored silly because only covid mattered so they had nothing much to do.

Tried not to resort to rudeness or nastiness despite facing a fair bit on here

And you don't think the first comment is nasty or rude? You are showing yourself up as ignorant and unpleasant, just as much as anyone else who has posted on this thread. At least some others are posting what they know, whereas all your rubbish is second hand.

I am sick to the back teeth of judgemental arseholes telling everyone else how to live their lives. Get the jag or don't but, FFS, mind your own business!!!

You aren’t really just doing the best for yourself and your family though @Bluepinkyellowcakes, are you, if you patently don’t really understand the medicine or science behind the vaccine (as is clearly demonstrated on this thread), yet make decisions on it anyway, and also speed misinformation about it (also on this thread)?

You’re being very disingenuous. You aren’t just doing your own thing and asking not to be bothered. By putting out all sorts of daft opinions not based in medical fact (also on this thread), you’re actively spreading misinformation.

The level of entitlement is astounding. You want to say things that are misinformed yet not be corrected. You want to have your opinion, yet bit be told if it’s wrong. You also want to hold medical staff in what is clearly deep contempt, yet talk about your “right” to ICU treatment.

Honestly, anyone talking absolute unmitigated bollocks online about a subject they clearly know nothing about should not be surprised about being challenged on it.

@MrsArchchancellorRidcully my eldest DC is vaccinated for similar reasons, he likes to travel and go to gigs and concerts, and didn't want to have to self isolate.

We've both had Covid and were lucky to have mild symptoms. He felt slightly worse from the vaccine if anything.

@gofg

They get paid enough, they also have great discount schemes and sick pay, I have family in NHS so I know this. They also got a shed load of freebies for erm, doing their job, and a hell of a lot of them sat round doing not very much. Those tik tok routines took some practice didn't they. They didn't look exhausted. Of course some would have been, some would have been very busy, bu to know that there were loads who were bored silly because only covid mattered so they had nothing much to do.

Tried not to resort to rudeness or nastiness despite facing a fair bit on here

And you don't think the first comment is nasty or rude? You are showing yourself up as ignorant and unpleasant, just as much as anyone else who has posted on this thread. At least some others are posting what they know, whereas all your rubbish is second hand.

No it's not nasty or rude at all!

@foxgoosefinch

You aren’t really just doing the best for yourself and your family though *@Bluepinkyellowcakes*, are you, if you patently don’t really understand the medicine or science behind the vaccine (as is clearly demonstrated on this thread), yet make decisions on it anyway, and also speed misinformation about it (also on this thread)?

You’re being very disingenuous. You aren’t just doing your own thing and asking not to be bothered. By putting out all sorts of daft opinions not based in medical fact (also on this thread), you’re actively spreading misinformation.

The level of entitlement is astounding. You want to say things that are misinformed yet not be corrected. You want to have your opinion, yet bit be told if it’s wrong. You also want to hold medical staff in what is clearly deep contempt, yet talk about your “right” to ICU treatment.

Honestly, anyone talking absolute unmitigated bollocks online about a subject they clearly know nothing about should not be surprised about being challenged on it.

You're funny fox

@Vintagevixen knew you would be in the 'is it actually dropping off ' camp ! I veer between worrying that I didnt have a extreme reaction, and so what is going on with my immune system ? and thinking ah well at least I am still here !

@GodIsAVegan I don't ask anyone what their vaccination status is, because its a bit like asking people how they voted in relation to Brexit, one way or another they will let you know

@Bluepinkyellowcakes

The NHS staff are doing their jobs. Jobs they chose, that they are paid to do.

What do you do @Bluepinkyellowcakes? Are you an immunologist?

@Bluepinkyellowcakes

No, you're right, most people, in fact nobody at all that I know, have died from smoking a cigarette. And I'm often surprised by heavy smokers I know who seem pretty healthy and don't need hospital treatment, at least not yet anyway. Point is though, they aren't being persuaded into getting a vaccine they don't need are they?

No, but smokers are excluded from breathing their smoke on others in various situations. As in all things there is a balance between the rights of the individual and the rights of the society to which they belong. The competing demands upon the NHS affects all those who might need it. Nobody is forcing anyone to take a vaccine.

I don't ask anyone what their vaccination status is, because its a bit like asking people how they voted in relation to Brexit, one way or another they will let you know

I don’t ask them because it’s rude and none of my business.

@foxgoosefinch

What, specifically, has she shared that she’s misinformed about?

As far as I can see, @Bluepinkyellowcakes hasn’t once told you you’re wrong, just that she’s entitled to make her own judgement (and explained the reasons for it). And yet it’s ok for you to tell her she’s wrong?

No user, I'm not. I didn't realise everyone had to be an immunologist in order to choose whether to vaccinate themselves or not. That might delay the rollout a bit.

Anti-vaxxer vegan died from Covid in hospital after refusing jab
mol.im/a/10251425

This is the kind of thing I'm asking about. I am not for one second saying the no jab no treatment should be the option, nor will it be, but when anti covid vaxxers read articles like this (and there have been few) does it not make you reconsider?

No it's not nasty or rude at all!

Then you have very low standards.

And just to be clear, I'm not for a moment suggesting that someone who is unvaccinated should not get treatment. But rather that if taking measures which exclude unvaccinated people from certain activities in an attempt to reduce overall transmission rates to reduce hospitalisations is necessary then that's not unreasonable - if it works - I'm not sure if there's any way to ascertain that as yet.

@Bluepinkyellowcakes

No user, I'm not. I didn't realise everyone had to be an immunologist in order to choose whether to vaccinate themselves or not. That might delay the rollout a bit.

I thought you weren’t from the silly comments you’ve made.

That's true, smokers are segregated. Good point. They do face restrictions down to the choice they make. Good point well made and with no rudeness :-)

But I do disagree when you say nobody is being forced to have a jab, it's like I said earlier, life will be made more and more difficult until people do it, and I don't think that's true choice at all.
Absolutely see your point about smokers though and I suppose they will also be pushed into "choosing" to give up eventually when life as a smoker becomes too tough due to restrictions /rules.

I don’t think the smoking analogy is quite like for like.

Smokers choose to do something that puts their health at risk. People who don’t get a vaccine choose NOT to take something offered to them that will reduce their chances of getting sick. It sounds like a small difference but it’s not.

@whywouldntyou

Anti-vaxxer vegan died from Covid in hospital after refusing jab mol.im/a/10251425

This is the kind of thing I'm asking about. I am not for one second saying the no jab no treatment should be the option, nor will it be, but when anti covid vaxxers read articles like this (and there have been few) does it not make you reconsider?

No op, that doesn't make me reconsider. Because although it is sad its still a minority case. Most people, almost everyone in fact, who gets covid recovers. True or false?

@BoPeeple it’s absolutely correct to tell people when they are wrong, it’s actually how humans make progress and stop the spread of misinformation