Are you really prepared to take every single vaccine

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It worries me that we may have to keep having vaccines going forward. I’m due my booster which I will take but I’m hearing that AZ are in the process of tweaking the current vaccine to combat the new strain. So we are then required to take another booster. Many variants can crop up, suppose another one does very soon. I’m concerned about the number of vaccines we could be taking. Is anyone else? And no I’m not an anti vaxer.

@ollyollyoxenfree

Honestly, I don't think it's even worth trying

Nice to see MN are letting the AV trolls run wild again they only got rid of two of the worst ones last night after they were rightly outed.

It's really pretty shitty that MN truly doesn't care that giving a platform to people spouting nonsense could actually cost lives.

@flipflop76

I'm double jabbed but don't want a booster as I'm still unwell from my second jab. Yes I would rather die at home than have to be jabbed every 6 months. Currently I'd rather take death than live for the rest of my life with mandatory jabs, repeated threat of lockdowns or restrictions, vaccine passports etc. Where will it end...

I need to have monthly jabs (infusions that last for hours) for the rest of my life. When considering this particular medication, I had to weigh up certain risks as it is known to cause cancer and other particularly nasty things. But it does help my disease and I certainly wouldn't raise a hissy fit and say "I'd rather be disabled than be jabbed every month!" Because I'm an adult.

Does anyone have any links to research done on safety of mixing vaccines please?

And also having them so often and in close succession?

No I don’t think I am. I’ve had the first two. I’m going to wait a bit and see if they do need to tweak the booster with this new variant. Then I will decide.

I had the booster this week with no after-effects at all.

Two weeks ago my brother had both flu jab and booster at the same time. He then had a very painful arm and headache and collapsed in the street. He revived ok but I would always try to avoid innoculations in combination.

[quote DSGR]@IHateFlies it is true, look up the scientific papers, there are many of them. Yes you can still have antibodies for a long time (and hopefully good T cell immunity) but that might not stop you catching a Covid once your vaccine immunity wanes. It will hopefully stop you ending up in hospital but the only true way of doing all you can to keep out of hospital is to have a booster[/quote]
Research shows that reinfections are rare and if they do occur, are milder.
Boosters maybe important for those who’ve never had covid but many people have. Maybe they don’t need boosters every few months?
I hope there’s more research into this.

Maybe you should try and open your mind a bit more trather than being disparaging to understand where other people are coming from rather than having one ridged view and being PA
Honestly not attempting to be passive aggressive, and simply thought you meant that the vaccine hadn't protected you, as that is literally what you wrote.

Thank you for answering the question. I was imagining a different scenario: someone who had already willingly had the vaccine, because they believed it was a good thing - but then something triggered them to change their mind. Or they had got used to seeing the news headlies, didn't feel as worried any more, and with that pressure off they couldn't be bothered. If you say that you didn't want to take it in the first place then it now makes more sense to me.

From my point of view, it's still depressing that while some people might be gradually getting persuaded to have a vaccine at all (where I live), other people are stopping. It feels as if the vaccine is the only weapon we have to try to beat the virus down - and just when it seemed as if maybe more people might use the vaccine, I read on here that in the UK, where things are further ahead than here, that effect is already waning.

So however effective the vaccines could be, they are not going to be effective, are they? (That's not a complaint to you personally; just a general wail of despair!)

Yes, why wouldn't I, vaccines are amazing things that save lives, we are so bloody lucky to have that opportunity in the face of a deadly virus.

It's funny how times change. I have probably fucking ex "friends" shouting crap about how the powers that be are experimenting on or culling us proles, yet not so many years ago, vaccines were only for the rich.

I also grew up with the shadow of grief that non vaccination can bring. 5 kids in my family died one Easter. My mum lost her sister & 4 cousins to diphtheria in the space of a week. We are so fucking lucky that we don't have to go through that crap

Does anyone have any links to research done on safety of mixing vaccines please?
And also having them so often and in close succession?

You may or may not be able to source such data for previous combinations, but doubt you'll find much for the current situation - not least because my understanding is that testing was done on the basis of two doses and that's changing by the day

Does anyone have any links to research done on safety of mixing vaccines please? And also having them so often and in close succession?

Babies get a dozen vaccines for half a dozen different conditions in their first year. We're all still here.

Covid is dangerous. I've known people my own age who died of it while waiting to be vaccinated (they weren't in the UK), and post vaccination I've avoided catching it myself despite likely exposure and I have very elderly vaccinated family members who caught it and weren't very ill.

And I'm just another person who has a vague idea about how vaccines work. So I'll deal with the Covid danger in front of me in the way that's advised by the medical experts who really do know how vaccines work, before I worry about hypothetical risks that are raised by other people who also only have a vague idea about how vaccines work. I don't need to try to unpick the research myself. Though YMMV.

@CrocodilesCry

Nice to see MN are letting the AV trolls run wild again they only got rid of two of the worst ones last night after they were rightly outed.

It's really pretty shitty that MN truly doesn't care that giving a platform to people spouting nonsense could actually cost lives.

Again, people who are concerned or worried about the ramifications of these particular vaccines are not trolls. They are people using their judgement and trying to gather information.

ElvishQueen there's a difference between gathering information and spouting misinformation and outright lies. The former is fine. The latter is not.

I don't have any links for vaccine effectiveness for mixed jabs. Though I do have experience of mixed jabs as I had to switch to Pfizer after having a very bad reaction to the AZ jab. My GP had to jump through several hoops to get it passed for me to switch to Pfizer, despite them telling me it wasn't safe for me to have more AZ. She eventually came back with an okay & telling me that the preliminary research is that mixed vaccines actually improves the effectiveness of the vaccine. It certainly seems to work well for me as twice I've been closely exposed to Covid & didn't catch it

I don't have any links for vaccine effectiveness for mixed jabs.

The cov boost study looked at mixing jabs.

People don’t seem to realise this method of getting better immunity through using different vaccines has been around for donkeys years.

Well, i was prepared to have all available vaccines, however, booked my booster weeks ago, turned up today to find a queue 500m long and not moving, turns out they thoughtfully decided it would also be a "walk-in" centre too.
I had two hours before an emg dentist appoint, for an abscess, waited an hour and moved about 100m, gave up, as did many others.

Makes a mockery of a booking system.

Yes, I'll be having all the boosters needed going forward and feel grateful they are available to me. It's no different than the flu vaccine changing each year according to the dominant strain.

I agree with you OP - I think it's insane that people are so unquestioning about taking the vaccines on an ongoing, repeated basis, particularly considering how the guidelines on what's considered safe/unsafe keep changing. For example, why are we now okay with under 18s having two jabs when just a couple of months ago it was considered too risky? Having seen how unethical the drug companies have historically been increases my nervousness and distrust. Now it's become clear that the protection offered by the current vaccines is so shortlived I will be even less likely to have one of them, although I would be interested in finding out more about Novavax.

@Runaway1

Yes, I'll be having all the boosters needed going forward and feel grateful they are available to me. It's no different than the flu vaccine changing each year according to the dominant strain.

Its very very different, flu vaccines are based on the strains in the southern hemisphere, so we have many months warning to make the stuff and then get it into peoples arms, should they get the strains wrong, its bad but not a disaster for the NHS.

We have no such luxury with CV, we'll have just a few weeks warning before it will be upon us, so should Omicron be vaccine resistant, it will take approx 6 months before the vulnerable are all vaccinated.

The only way out of this is over the counter meds that stop the virus in its tracks.

We have no such luxury with CV, we'll have just a few weeks warning before it will be upon us, so should Omicron be vaccine resistant, it will take approx 6 months before the vulnerable are all vaccinated.

I don’t think I’ve heard anyone from the scientific community saying they’re expecting the vaccines to be totally ineffective against severe disease and death. Yes, a drop in effectiveness is likely, especially for infection but the situation you’re talking about isn’t probably.

@nojudgementhere

I agree with you OP - I think it's insane that people are so unquestioning about taking the vaccines on an ongoing, repeated basis, particularly considering how the guidelines on what's considered safe/unsafe keep changing. For example, why are we now okay with under 18s having two jabs when just a couple of months ago it was considered too risky? Having seen how unethical the drug companies have historically been increases my nervousness and distrust. Now it's become clear that the protection offered by the current vaccines is so shortlived I will be even less likely to have one of them, although I would be interested in finding out more about Novavax.

It was never considered "too risky" for 18s (nor was it for pregnant women)

It's about balancing benefits & risks with the data that's available

@Smokeyfish

Does anyone have any links to research done on safety of mixing vaccines please?

And also having them so often and in close succession?

Many vaccines are already given together (MMR) or in close sucession - childhood vaccination schedule, pre-travel vaccinations, the hepatitis B schedule which is 3 (or 4 in my case) in 18 months. How many people checked that all their hep b jabs were from the same manufactuer?

Vaccines are not drugs. There is not a cumulative effect or the fear of interaction in the same way we have to be very careful in regards to drugs.

And again, it's untrue to say there is no research being done on the safety or efficacy of mixing coronavirus vaccines. Here's a good overview of some of the research being conducted:
www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02853-4

@OllyollyOxenfree - Sorry but I don't really agree with this. As far as I'm aware, the reason two doses weren't given to Under 18s was because the risk of pericarditis and myocarditis (particularly in boys) was considered too much of a risk for it to be in their best interest. These rules have now been changed very quickly and with very little explanation & yet nobody seems to be worried!

[quote nojudgementhere]@OllyollyOxenfree - Sorry but I don't really agree with this. As far as I'm aware, the reason two doses weren't given to Under 18s was because the risk of pericarditis and myocarditis (particularly in boys) was considered too much of a risk for it to be in their best interest. These rules have now been changed very quickly and with very little explanation & yet nobody seems to be worried![/quote]
I agree the CMOs haven't set out their rationale as to why two doses are now offered instead of one

As it has always been, you're free to turn down vaccination for your teen, so continue to do that for the 2nd dose until they have released this information, and take it from there?

I always thought the one dose only was nonsensical, but appreciate it may seem like (yet another) U turn

@Ollyollyoxenfree - yeah, good point! I totally think eveyone should have the choice to have the vaccine or encourage their teens to have the vaccine if that's what they think is right for them.