Are you really prepared to take every single vaccine

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It worries me that we may have to keep having vaccines going forward. I’m due my booster which I will take but I’m hearing that AZ are in the process of tweaking the current vaccine to combat the new strain. So we are then required to take another booster. Many variants can crop up, suppose another one does very soon. I’m concerned about the number of vaccines we could be taking. Is anyone else? And no I’m not an anti vaxer.

Ive developed Guillain-Barré (pronounced ghee-yan bar-ray) syndrome since having my second vaccine. Currently my life is at a stand still. I've been waiting 5 months to see a neurologist on the NHS and still have no idea when it will be. On Saturday I will travel to London and spend £££ of my families money having private tests to find out for sure what is wrong with me. I will not be taking anymore vaccines of any kind. I know it is extremely rare but it can happen and when it does there is no help. I've literally seen 3 A&E doctors after waiting a minimum of 7 hours.

I hope is something temporary. Which vaccine did you take?

@Battenburg77

A thought experiment for anyone saying "of course I'd take as many as I'm offered" etc:

How frequently could boosters be recommended before you would start to feel uncomfortable? If it were advised by the JCVI. Once every 3 months? 2 months? More frequently than that?

Given that the JCVI would be making their reasoning clear and citing their sources, then I guess so, yes.

That's the thing - all the public health organisations that people say 'oh they just want to control you' are the ones sharing their work, explaining their reasoning, showing the evidence. Even when the government doesn't act on it all.

Which is why the 'do your own research and watch Zane on YouTube explain the anagrams hidden in the vaccine labels' is so laughable.

Has any research been done on how many of these boosters with such frequency are safe?

The vaccine was tested but that was 1/2 doses. Does science know what multiple repetitive MRNA jabs will do to us?

As things stand I will be taking all the vaccines. So grateful to have just had my booster and it looks like with the new variant we will need an updated one. I got ME/CFS from a virus 13 years ago and still having after effects now. The toll long covid is likely to take on the health of our population shouldn't be underestimated, particularly with repeat infections. if people were prepared to make some small adjustments to try not to catch or spread covid it might not be so critical to have a highly vaccinated population. But government have chosen vaccination as the one trick pony to get us through this, and so many individuals are not happy to restrict their 'freedoms' to try and control it in other ways, so there we have it :-(

@ilovemygirls

My stroke was recent - as a direct result as the jab. This has now been proven. You’re very welcome to see my notes. And yes, I broke up with my ex over 10 years ago now. Do you think the stress from a controlling relationship just disappears overnight? It doesn’t. Q Quite prepared to show you my medical records… and doctors reports… I can even put you in touch with two 19 year olds who were in hospital at the same time as me after suffering strokes. Or the fit, healthy teacher who will never walk again. I find this site very weird and very unsupportive… and judgemental. Just ask me, rather constantly attack because I don’t agree with you. Why would you come on here & feel the need to attack others all the time? How bizarre. But you continue to take your 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th jab… let your children have it too. I give up trying to educate people! Come back to me in 20 years & tell me you still feel you’ve made the right decision then. Every child has been exposed to this “virus” already. They are absolutely fine. You really think the richest, most powerful people in the world care if you or your child lives or dies?! They really don’t give a damn - you’re just a number. So no - I won’t be taking any more Covid jabs. This is about much more than just one virus… there are BILLIONS of viruses. You really think the whole world is being controlled because of ONE virus?! Common sense really is a thing of the past here on mumsnet. The place where all the perfect mummy’s go to brag & talk about whether they are being unreasonable for being oh so annoyed because a car is parked near their driveway! Dear god!

I'll take those doctors reports, why not, you can PM me.

I have a pro-thrombotic condition too, which is why I was so glad to get vaccinated. Covid has been associated with increased clotting events since the start - www.google.com/search?q=covid+inpatient+thrombosis&oq=covid+inpatient+thrombosis&aqs=chrome..69i57j33i160.11365j0j7&client=ms-android-motorola-rev2&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8 - I really don't want the full disease

@Smokeyfish

Has any research been done on how many of these boosters with such frequency are safe?

The vaccine was tested but that was 1/2 doses. Does science know what multiple repetitive MRNA jabs will do to us?

The fact that they are mRNA (or cDNA vaccines) is a red herring

There really really isn't a difference, biologically speaking, between whether multiple mRNA vaccines or traditional vaccines are safe when being administered regular. It's just another mechanism of delivery.

I would question the safety of fortnightly vaccines of any type, as stimulating an immune response that often probably isn't advisable (although neither is such frequent exposure to coronavirus if you're in a high risk job)

No. I'm going to let my immune system.do its job. I've had Covid. It was fairly nasty but I recovered.

Yep! Every single one!

The reality is that the fear tactics are still being used. Something feels very unethical and wrong about this. I am passing on boosters at least for now.

@DameFanny

It's not laughable to have questions about the wisdom of administering a novel vaccine to healthy teenagers and young adults three times in a 7/8 month period.

My grandmother was offered thalidomide when she was pregnant. The consensus of the experts and best scientific minds at the time was that it was perfectly safe for her to take.
There was no YouTube then, but perhaps people would think it "laughable" for her to act according to her own wisdom/intuition, in contradiction to the best medical advice available.

@AuroraSophia - do you realise that with every post you lose a bit more credibility?

@Smokeyfish

Has any research been done on how many of these boosters with such frequency are safe?

The vaccine was tested but that was 1/2 doses. Does science know what multiple repetitive MRNA jabs will do to us?

Pretty sure science is looking into that as a matter of urgency. That's pretty much what they do.

I think I would because I’ve not been well lately and I don’t want to get covid.

I’ve had all so far, I think we have to trust science.

[quote Battenburg77]@DameFanny

It's not laughable to have questions about the wisdom of administering a novel vaccine to healthy teenagers and young adults three times in a 7/8 month period.

My grandmother was offered thalidomide when she was pregnant. The consensus of the experts and best scientific minds at the time was that it was perfectly safe for her to take.
There was no YouTube then, but perhaps people would think it "laughable" for her to act according to her own wisdom/intuition, in contradiction to the best medical advice available.[/quote]
Thalidomide is LITERALLY why we have the testing regime we do. LITERALLY. Lessons were learnt. Monitoring is underway. And healthy adults and children are dying from covid.

Yes.

@Battenburg77

"A thought experiment is a hypothetical situation in which a hypothesis, theory, or principle is laid out for the purpose of thinking through its consequences."

So fortnightly jabs would fine with you, if advised? When people insist that they'd have as many as recommended, I'm curious to know where they would draw the line.

Already inject once a fortnight as it is. Used to do it weekly but then they came up with some nice new medications that target the particular bit of the immune system that goes into overdrive with fewer side effects from the earlier medications.

I'd say about five times a day would be getting irritating.

So one or two strokes @ilovemygirls as you seem adamant that it was caused by stress whereas now it is the vaccine.

@DameFanny

I'm certain that the medical community at the time believed that, in part due to the lessons learned from mistakes made in earlier decades, they had a sufficient system for ensuring the safety of medicines.

It would be foolish to say that we've learned all of the lessons now and that our regulatory processes are infallible. Tell me, was Vioxx, the anti inflammatory which was found to increase the risk of heart attacks, approved before or after the thalidomide scandal?

@Battenburg77 www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/how-the-thalidomide-scandal-led-to-safer-drugs

fullfact.org/health/thalidomide-covid-vaccines-misleading/

The first link is US based, but the same thing happened in the UK - be regulations, monitoring and testing regimes were put in place so that it couldn't happen again.

Vioxx was discovered to have problems due to the monitoring, and withdrawn once the problems became apparent.

And I've no doubt that there's people that still miss it, because it was very good at what it did. But the increased cardiac problems were deemed too high.

But vaccines don't suddenly cause problems months after administration, they don't work that way.

@Puzzledandpissedoff

Speaking of flu jabs, when I asked about mine I was told not to have a Covid booster within 7 days of it

Is this usual, does anyone know? Only I keep reading about folk having both jabs at the same time, which obviously doesn't fit the same pharmacistadvice

My pharmacist (as in where I work) said it shouldn’t be done within 7 days too, so that does seem to be accurate advice and not sure why some have had it so close together!

How can you assert that it "couldn't happen again" when so many drugs have been withdrawn since?

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_withdrawn_drugs

Some were on the market - damaging patients - for years before they were withdrawn

I think it's a precautionary measure, so that if there were to be any side-effects it is clear which shot the reactions are coming from, perhaps? For clearer reporting measures, etc.

(I'm aware that not every drug on that list is relevant to this discussion because of the reason for withdrawal or country in which it was licensed, but many are)