Are you really prepared to take every single vaccine

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It worries me that we may have to keep having vaccines going forward. I’m due my booster which I will take but I’m hearing that AZ are in the process of tweaking the current vaccine to combat the new strain. So we are then required to take another booster. Many variants can crop up, suppose another one does very soon. I’m concerned about the number of vaccines we could be taking. Is anyone else? And no I’m not an anti vaxer.

Thalidomide couldn't happen again, because they're very reluctant to give drugs to pregnant women that haven't been tested in pregnancy - which also means that pregnant women have to miss out on many medical advances until there's a sufficient body of evidence (as I understand it from women who've been given the drug in question in extremis/where there's no alternative) for trials to begin and proper approval to happen.

Might we all (or maybe, what, 80% of us) drop dead in the next couple of years of something unforeseen in this vaccine? I really doubt it. According to an anti-vaxxer I know that would be happening 5 months after vaccination because her BF was on a zoom conference with Dolores Cahill . But we're still here.

But hey, on the bright side, at least the global South would get a chance to rebuild the world without our predatory capitalism that withheld the vaccines from them

I miss Distalgesic

@DameFanny

Thalidomide couldn't happen again, because they're very reluctant to give drugs to pregnant women that haven't been tested in pregnancy - which also means that pregnant women have to miss out on many medical advances until there's a sufficient body of evidence (as I understand it from women who've been given the drug in question in extremis/where there's no alternative) for trials to begin and proper approval to happen.

Might we all (or maybe, what, 80% of us) drop dead in the next couple of years of something unforeseen in this vaccine? I really doubt it. According to an anti-vaxxer I know that would be happening 5 months after vaccination because her BF was on a zoom conference with Dolores Cahill . But we're still here.

But hey, on the bright side, at least the global South would get a chance to rebuild the world without our predatory capitalism that withheld the vaccines from them

For the record, if there's a problem, I don't think it will be sudden death in five years.

I know it's difficult to accept the reality that there could be an unforseen issue with these very new vaccines, but as strong as your motivation is to assert the impossibility of it (understandably), the possibility exists regardless. I genuinely hope that there's no issue but it's just dishonest to say that it couldn't be. It's important to recognise that as we continue to boost teenagers.

I do have to sleep now, but I enjoyed our discussion.

I'll take a vaccine every year until I die to keep safe. I am just so grateful I live in UK where we can get vaccines. That is one thing the government did get right.

@Claudethecat

Oh, shite that was meant to be a pointy agreeing sort of finger!

I did wonder what that poster had written in particular to prompt such a strong response.

Still I needed the giggle!

Pretty sure I'm saying improbability rather than impossibility, but sleep tight!

@caringcarer

I'll take a vaccine every year until I die to keep safe. I am just so grateful I live in UK where we can get vaccines. That is one thing the government did get right.

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I’ll keep taking the vaccines. No other choice for me personally. My 40yo db is in hospital on CPAP. My vaccines protected me from that when I had covid. I was ill like an utter bastard, struggled to stay conscious but not hospitalised.

I don’t have a problem with people who are too worried about the vaccines to get them though. Unless they think it is a chip implanted by the govt or the devil or some stupid shit like that.

I am just so grateful I live in UK where we can get vaccines. That is one thing the government did get right.

Why do people keep repeating this sentiment. Many parts of the world have vaccines available to them, the UK isn't anything special. And before people start piling on and saying "they can't get them in x country" that may be true, but several on MN seem to think the majority of people in other countries are having to do without. It's a bit like "the NHS is the envy of the world" when it really isn't.

I'm not in the UK, have booked my booster this week, and they are available to anyone who wants them as long as three months have passed since their second shot.

sorry - that should have said six months since second shot!

@Isaidnomorecrisps

I will have it, but I wonder about some of the stats out there. I personally have had an ex boss (53) with blood clots after jab 2 and A&E emergency, best friend’s partner (52) with a 5cm clot in lung and had to be frozen and heart removed to get it out (he’s recovering now in Cambridge), and two friends of a good friend, 47 and early 50s, who died from sudden clots after jabs in last couple of months. All men. There are meant to be about 59 of these in total in the U.K. and I know 4??? So I’ll still have it but that’s one heck of a coincidence.

They had to freeze this guy & remove his heart??

Yes, if there is a perceived risk of catching something.
Vaccines are a huge life saver. They do not always work for everyone, but the diseases they combat are often absolutely terrible if contracted and can lead to disability, brain damage and death.
Look up the effects of polio, TB, meningitis, rabies, german measles, typhoid, etc. Then try and be sceptical.
My only concern is too many inoculations at the same time do not necessarily work as independantly-acting doses. The reckless way the MOD lined up soldiers to take a dozen or so jabs at the same time shows that; as was the use of depleted uranium tipped ammunition on the battlefield (by the americans). Many of the soldiers became very sick from serum interaction and overload, and the MoD still refuse to own up to it.

@gofg

I am just so grateful I live in UK where we can get vaccines. That is one thing the government did get right.

Why do people keep repeating this sentiment. Many parts of the world have vaccines available to them, the UK isn't anything special. And before people start piling on and saying "they can't get them in x country" that may be true, but several on MN seem to think the majority of people in other countries are having to do without. It's a bit like "the NHS is the envy of the world" when it really isn't.

I'm not in the UK, have booked my booster this week, and they are available to anyone who wants them as long as three months have passed since their second shot.

I agree. There are poorer nations who have low access and/or low uptake, but most countries have rolled out vaccines at a fairly high rate.

UK is quite low, comparatively, on this list:
coronavirus.jhu.edu/vaccines/international

*Anti vaxxer not valuer

No, I have had both my shots but I think some countries are moving towards every four months - which is ridiculous to be honest. I think that's actually put me off. How can that possibly be safe?

I know it's difficult to accept the reality that there could be an unforseen issue with these very new vaccines, but as strong as your motivation is to assert the impossibility of it (understandably), the possibility exists regardless.

I know it's difficult to accept the reality of risk management. Effective risk management means dealing with the known and serious danger that's in front of you now, before you prevent an unknown and very unlikely threat that might just possibly exist five years down the line. You don't wait to prove it's totally utterly impossible while the immediate danger takes you down.

We already know the risk of Covid to the population. We know the wider damage that Covid outbreaks do to young people, not just physical but social and economic and psychological. That's real and it's now. And vaccination mitigates that.

As we’re privileged enough to have this opportunity then yes!

I’ve already had my third jab, possible booster in three months now, rather than six - no problem!

MNHQ really needs to step up to the mark on these threads. So many outright lies, designed to scare those who may be worried about having the vaccines.

I am off for my booster today. No qualms whatsoever.

@DameFanny yeah apparently in 2 years post vaccine the vaccinated will pretty much all be dead.
Apparently my kids will be orphsns.
if my dds have it I will never be a grandmother.
I can see that any flare of a pre existing condition or new condition will be blames on the vaccine. .
Although the same person was trying to argue that any death with COVID must have been something else. Mainly SIDS or pneumonia from mask wearing..
Had to cut contact.

[quote Battenburg77]@Sparklingbrook

I disagree. At the moment, people seem prepared to accept almost anything without scrutiny, in the name of covid. That's a problem. People should ask themselves what the limits are to the interventions/restrictions/sacrifices/risks that they would accept.[/quote]
If - BIG if - a regular 3-monthly (or even fortnightly) booster was recommended by JCVI, it would be after careful and detailed scrutiny of the evidence, by people who are eminently qualified to understand it.

Which I, and I dare say you, are not. So, yes, I will follow their advice.

Yes I would. I've taken every vaccine I've been offered throughout my life. I'm not sure why the Covid vaccine is afforded more scrutiny than everything else tbh.

I'm puzzled by all these parents who merrily took their DC for their jabs as a baby and blithely signed consent forms for teenage vaccines in school, but are now all over the Covid vaccine like they've become immunology experts.

@BonnesVacances

Yes I would. I've taken every vaccine I've been offered throughout my life. I'm not sure why the Covid vaccine is afforded more scrutiny than everything else tbh.

I'm puzzled by all these parents who merrily took their DC for their jabs as a baby and blithely signed consent forms for teenage vaccines in school, but are now all over the Covid vaccine like they've become immunology experts.

err because these other vaccines have been in development for many years before being offered to parent, the CV vaccines - just a few months. Vaccines given to children isn't for their direct protection but for ours!

Vaccines given to children isn't for their direct protection but for ours!

And yet over 3000 children died in England alone during the first year of the pandemic. And 69000 are dealing with long covid. Weren't they entitled to protection?