Are you really prepared to take every single vaccine

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It worries me that we may have to keep having vaccines going forward. I’m due my booster which I will take but I’m hearing that AZ are in the process of tweaking the current vaccine to combat the new strain. So we are then required to take another booster. Many variants can crop up, suppose another one does very soon. I’m concerned about the number of vaccines we could be taking. Is anyone else? And no I’m not an anti vaxer.

Yes.
If they're offering, I'm having it.

@Benjispruce5 does breast milk also contain Poly sorbate 80? A synthetic ingredient found in vaccines? An ingredient that if you look at the research has been linked to many diseases... infertility, chrons disease, blood clots, stroke, heart attack... to name a few.

People should do their own research in my opinion if they are worried. Look at the ingredients, look at research and make your own choice.

@NC180 I can see why you would be worried about toxicity in general, but please do have a read of these articles - the Covid vaccines evidently don't contain aluminium.
Lots of things have increased in the environment in the last century or two alongside the diseases you mention. We have not yet found out if any of them are causing Alzheimers etc. One key cause of the rises in many diseases is actually the fact that we're living longer. In the old days we'd have died of something else before we had a chance to get Alzheimer's.

What @ravensmum said.

Oh we are back to being urged to "do our own research" while ignoring the medical advice of just about every doctor and scientist in the world. No thanks.

People should do their own research in my opinion if they are worried. Look at the ingredients, look at research and make your own choice
Respectfully, I disagree with this idea. I don't have a medical degree. I can't understand the implications of the research. Doctors do, and can. Doctors have a better idea of what is good for me than I do.

@ravenmum

People should do their own research in my opinion if they are worried. Look at the ingredients, look at research and make your own choice Respectfully, I disagree with this idea. I don't have a medical degree. I can't understand the implications of the research. Doctors do, and can. Doctors have a better idea of what is good for me than I do.

It is a bit like getting on a plane and insisting on flying it, after doing your 'own research' with your liberal arts degree. While in an unprecedented thunderstorm.

[quote NC180]@ravenmum I'll re share that list of drugs that doctors once told you were safe and the FDA once approved, that are now banned, because they are now deemed unsafe - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_withdrawn_drugs[/quote]
Thank you for sharing information that you think will help me. In return, I've shared some information that I think would help you. So we both have some interesting reading to do :)

I haven’t had Covid either and neither have my household. We are all fully jabbed. You have to research in the right places @ NC180.

yes I am

For me, this discussion is not simply about covid vaccines on forever repeat
It's the whole package that goes with the thinking that "vaccine dependency" in order for society to function at all, is now a good thing and totally acceptable
Civil liberties infringed and moral judgement for behaviour that was fine 2 yrs ago.

Can't leave your home if...
Can't travel there or here if...
Can't hear what anyone is saying because of their masks...
Must get tested, must isolate, can't go to school, can't take training now, can't see a ruddy GP , must use lots of plastic things.
Sneery judgements on what others do when 99% of the behaviour options won't harm or protect anyone present.
Must open the windows in winter because climate change is unimportant now
Hoard vaccines for people living in rich countries
Can't visit family abroad

Evidently some people think all that is not insane, in fact it's fine forever more. "if it saves one life" etc.

I've had 5 vaccines in twelve months, flu 2020, covid, covid, covid booster and flu 2021. I'm really questioning if I'd be prepared to have a 6th to be honest

I'm happy to be stuck with anything that is approved and that will keep me and my loved ones safer. I have the flu jab every year and about to have my booster.

Yes. Haven't had a bad reaction to any of them bar a sore arm, and I've had 5 in the last 12 months (flu last year and this year, two covid plus the booster last week).

If it gets us back to normal faster, travel, school, no more lockdowns, I'll have whatever they offer.

If doctors do get things wrong despite their years and years of learning and experience - and they do get things wrong, of course - just think how many things we will get wrong, without that learning and experience.

@ithoughtisawapuddycat you do know that most of the vaccines are not yet fully FDA approved right?

www.forbes.com/sites/leahrosenbaum/2021/07/30/why-hasnt-the-fda-fully-approved-any-covid-19-vaccines-yet/?sh=4220ab8e646d

I would say that naturopathy is absolute psychobabble and I prefer to put my trust in conventional medicine. People who prefer not to take the vaccines and rely on natural immunity are currently filling the ITUs.

[quote NC180]@ravenmum I'll re share that list of drugs that doctors once told you were safe and the FDA once approved, that are now banned, because they are now deemed unsafe - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_withdrawn_drugs[/quote]
Most of us are not in the US so FDA is not relevant to us. Withdrawing a drug licence is actually quite a complex thing, and usually because there are safer options. Many of those reasons involve drug interactions, or disease interactions. They don’t necessarily mean those drugs shouldn’t have been given, most were pretty useful but potentially they’ve been superseded. Vaccines don’t work like a medication you take each day and is cleared by your kidney/ liver and other organs. Pharmaceuticals have come a long way as has testing and understanding of how genetics affects things. Each of the drugs on that list has a whole story about why it was withdrawn, many were actually pretty useful treatments which some people are still taking

And while I'm on a roll...

Related insanty, is the super enthusiastic embrace of all things anxious, and anxiety inducing as New Public Goods. As though if we just worry enough that will actually fix problems. And anyone who doesn't join in is morally deficient. Feels like Modern Social-Health Puritanism -- on hyper overdrive.

We literally live in the Age of

You-Must-Worry
&
Nothing-You-Do-Is-Good-Enough, because
"There's always room for improvement".
"Doing X is a sign of being socially responsible" (moral failure if you don't worry and join the Church of Modern Anxiety)

So we should constantly document policies & procedures, because we must never stop worrying, and writing it all down... strangely enough makes us even more anxious.

No idea why I was surprised that there is such a severe epidemic of anxiety on MN.

@sirfredfredgeorge

Why would it worry you if you've already had two? What's the difference? I don't understand the logid there

Some side effect risks are independent variables - so whilst the chance of a particular side effect is 1 in million, take it 10 times and it's 1 in 100,000. Still a big number of course, but then the benefit of the vaccine in some groups is limited, the side effect risk is already similar to the covid risk - for those groups, the risk structure really does change.

You are misunderstanding the maths. It doesn’t work that way, it doesn’t have memory. It would still be 1 in a million each time you have it. The chances of winning the Euro millions with a lucky dip is 1 in 45,057,474. If you played every week then it would still be the same. Although the risk with blood clots for AZ reduced for the second vaccine because if you are going to develop then you would have mostly likely done the first time round so people who are having the second jab are people who are leas likely to develop blood clots.

Are lots of people actually in the US or just randomly googling to come up with links to the FDA?

In short, yes I'll take any vaccine going. The side effects of Covid include being very ill and, although relatively unlikely, potential hospitalization and, although very unlikely, potential death. The side effects of vaccine are feel a bit rough for a day or two. The side egfects of not having vaccine include living with restrictions which damage people's wellbeing , including general health, mental, societal and economic wellbeing. No contest.