Are you really prepared to take every single vaccine

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It worries me that we may have to keep having vaccines going forward. I’m due my booster which I will take but I’m hearing that AZ are in the process of tweaking the current vaccine to combat the new strain. So we are then required to take another booster. Many variants can crop up, suppose another one does very soon. I’m concerned about the number of vaccines we could be taking. Is anyone else? And no I’m not an anti vaxer.

@lljkk I'm with you, but this is a whole different and worrying thing entirely.

Do our own research?
I don't have time for that
I'm 47.
4 years at uni, 7 years of medical school, a decade or more in a speciality, I'll have died of old age before I am qualified to carry out any research worth a damn.

But then of course we have the argument about smoking, drinking, poor diet. Should we refuse to treat those people? After all it’s their choice and you could argue that those choices are preventing others from receiving care.

It's not the same. Those actions don't affect others to the same degree: they're no passing their conditions on to others, endangering their lives, and it isn't happening 'en masse' flooding hospitals resulting in the lack of care for other day in day out medical issues for the public. Covid swamps hospitals when the numbers go up.

What if I had started my posting by telling you I'm a qualified Dr of medicine, re-trained as a nutritionist and naturopath. ... would you just disregard me as one of the rogue ones
No, I'd think you were lying, as while I appreciate that a very tiny proportion* of doctors disagree with the mainstream stance on Covid, I don't think it is with the lines of argumentation you have followed on this thread.

*The article you quote says: “If you look at healthcare systems that have actually mandated this, they’ve retained over 99% of their workforce,” .... and that is not referring to doctors, but to all staff working in healthcare systems.

Why would anyone sane be concerned about vaccines or boosters?

What a dumb comment.

You have a serious inability to weigh up risk if you think that wearing a mask or taking a vaccine is worse than ending up in ICU.

I’m not sure what else to say.

Watching YouTube videos or following right wing propaganda to weigh up that risk isn’t gonna help.

@TomelettewithGreggs being a Dr. of medicine who also knows about nutrition doesn't make one any less medical. It just makes one even more informed about various things that can influence our bodies.

Absolutely, yes I would. I really don't understand what the problem is with having the vaccines and why people are so hung up about it.

@CherryBlossomAutumn I don't think I am at risk of ending up in ICU. My age bracket has had minimal fatal cases. I'm more at risk of getting cancer or alzheimers, statistically. But if you do feel that Covid puts you at risk of ending up in ICU, I would understand why you'd like to take the vaccine.

What if I had started my posting by telling you I'm a qualified Dr of medicine, re-trained as a nutritionist and naturopath

I’d wonder why you’d chosen to train as a nutritionist with only voluntary regulations rather than a dietician. Lack of accountability?

Happy to take whichever boosters are recommended by the experts. I expect covid vaccines will become an annual thing like the flu jabs. Those are a mixture of 3 or 4 different flu virus strains based on global surveillance of what is circulating. Hopefully they'll be able to make similar combination vaccines against the most common covid strains in the future.

Even when the bug doesn't mutate from year to year, having 3 or more doses of a vaccine is normal for most of the diseases we have vaccines against. Infants get multiple boosters in the first months and years of life. It isn't surprising that we'll need boosters for COVID too, and it's no big deal.

I get the flu vaccine every year, so yes, why not?

I've recently been doing some research on my family tree going back to the 1700s. It's very depressing seeing all the babies and young children who used to die of measles, diphtheria, cholera, TB, etc. Some families lost all their children. I'm glad we have vaccines so that most of us live to see our children grow up and lead happy, productive lives.

@Viviennemary

I had the booster and had a horrific headache and was extremely tired and very very sore arm. The way I feel at the moment is no more vaccines for me.

Me too. My arm was sore for a week. Just had the flu one and still feeling a bit fatigued, but I would still have a new vaccine because I'll not take the risk of dying and leaving my kids, or infecting my parents

Threw up for 3 days, fever, swollen scarlet arm for a fortnight - of course I'll get jabbed again.

I'd willingly be jabbed against scaremongering too.

@ravenmum

What if I had started my posting by telling you I'm a qualified Dr of medicine, re-trained as a nutritionist and naturopath. ... would you just disregard me as one of the rogue ones No, I'd think you were lying, as while I appreciate that a very tiny proportion* of doctors disagree with the mainstream stance on Covid, I don't think it is with the lines of argumentation you have followed on this thread.

*The article you quote says: “If you look at healthcare systems that have actually mandated this, they’ve retained over 99% of their workforce,” .... and that is not referring to doctors, but to all staff working in healthcare systems.

Historically not every country had the same training or registration requirements for HCP. They still don’t although medicine has become more standardised and in places like India there’s been a crackdown on who can call themselves a Doctor. May or may not be relevant

@sirfredfredgeorge

Surely it becomes 10 in a million?

Yep, which is 1 in 100,000

every time you roll the dice it’s the same likelihood of getting a 6, one in six

Yes so every time you take a vaccine (some) the chance of some of the side effects is the same - say 1 in million, but you do it 10 times and each time you have 1 in a million chance, but overall from the 10 trials your chance was 1 in 100,000. For anyone where the side effects are so much less chance than the harm, that's still fine - for someone where the benefits are marginal, that might be enough to swing it to being negative.

Surely that's only the case if the variable causing the side effects is in the vaccine? That's highly unlikely. The variable that means one person has side effects while most don't is likely to be an interaction between that person's biology and the vaccine. This means your 10 in a million doesn't hold if the key variable is the person not the vaccine. it remains 1 in a million.

@Cornettoninja, no, just more in depth and specialised than the dietician courses so I went for the one that would more greatly extend my knowledge. It was a 4 year degree, with extensive study of anatomy, physiology and pathology, extensive study of medicine and allopathic treatments for all diseases, then an extensive study of evidence based 'naturally available' treatment of disease.

Here is the difference in practice. You go to the doctors with persistent migraines, they most likely give you pain killers and send you on your way. You go to a nutritionist, they tell you to take the pain killers the Dr prescribed, of course, but they also work with you to establish the root cause of the problem and they then treat that. For example, it could be found to be a serious Vitamin B12 deficiency. So they'd supplement that. It could be found to be a structural problem, so they'd refer you to someone who could fix that, e.g. a chiropractor.

Dieticians are different entirely

In the country I live in, Nutritionists are regulated and certified.

I’d have four a day if I was offered it.

How is your health anxiety going?

[quote NC180]@CherryBlossomAutumn I don't think I am at risk of ending up in ICU. My age bracket has had minimal fatal cases. I'm more at risk of getting cancer or alzheimers, statistically. But if you do feel that Covid puts you at risk of ending up in ICU, I would understand why you'd like to take the vaccine.[/quote]
I'll be honest: when it comes to catching Covid, I'm not primarily worried for me. I'm more worried about other people, such as my boyfriend. I'd be horrified if I passed it on to him, as he is at higher risk than me. But I still want to see him. So I take the precautions I can to at least reduce my risk of passing it on to him (and to other people).
I'm also not keen on the idea of my children losing their mother too young; though they are at least in their 20s now, I know that my bf losing his dad at that age has really affected him strongly.

Another worry is that the virus is not going to go away. As I say, another year of lockdowns would potentially ruin me financially. I'm scared that I'll end up a burden on society. Knowing that a higher level of vaccination could have prevented the surge we're having hereabouts makes me very sad.

itsallgoingpearshaped

"It's not the same. Those actions don't affect others to the same degree: they're no passing their conditions on to others, endangering their lives, and it isn't happening 'en masse' flooding hospitals resulting in the lack of care for other day in day out medical issues for the public. Covid swamps hospitals when the numbers go up"

Isn't it about saving the NHS and making sure too many beds aren't taken up?

80% of those serious ill with covid are overweight/obese.

Also many others taking up non covid health resources have illnesses related to obesity.

It is absolutely relevant. I don't know why people are in denial about this simple fact

@DaisyandSimeon you do know you can still infect your parents having had the vaccine right? It doesn't stop you getting it and spreading it. I have many friends recently locked down from catching Covid from vaccinated friends they have been in contact with. Vaccinated people ares still spreading it. The only way to truly stop your parents getting covid is to put them in a glass house and never visit.

I think after my reaction to AZ - extreme fatigue - frightening headache I would prefer the Pfizer as a booster - I had the Pfizer as a booster and was tired but it didn’t cause the same issues as the AZ did. The AZ totally wiped me out for quite a while.

Bring it on, I’ll take whatever vaccines the JVCI deem advisable, because I am not an idiot.

@BungleandGeorge I trained in the UK.

3 vaccines in one year is a lot then a potential 4th.

Before travelling to India I had 15 vaccines over a 4 month period. Other that the logistical hassle of organising appointments for that lot, the number of them didn't bother me.

I'll keep taking the vaccines offered to me.