Vaccine for 5+

[NotTheBaby]

It’s on sky news now. Leaked document stating 5 year olds and above to be vaccinated from spring. I’m so hesitant to get my children done, when I couldn’t wait for mine. Why is this so much harder than it should be? Or am I just overthinking it?

@saltedcaramel1 Everything you say refers to traditional vaccines. The mRNA vaccines use different technology. It is entirely true to say that long term effects are unknown. They have not been used long term.

Yes, the same could be said of the covid virus, that long term effects could emerge. Long-lasting effects of viral infection are common and well-documented. This has been pointed out in the context of ‘long covid’, that many viruses leave a long tail.

[quote Flyonawalk]@saltedcaramel1 Everything you say refers to traditional vaccines. The mRNA vaccines use different technology. It is entirely true to say that long term effects are unknown. They have not been used long term.

Yes, the same could be said of the covid virus, that long term effects could emerge. Long-lasting effects of viral infection are common and well-documented. This has been pointed out in the context of ‘long covid’, that many viruses leave a long tail.[/quote]
Everything you say refers to traditional vaccines. The mRNA vaccines use different technology. It is entirely true to say that long term effects are unknown. They have not been used long term.

It relates to mRNA vaccines. mRNA is extremely short lived in your body's cells. It is translated into spike protein and then broken down. It cannot interact with your DNA and do thing like cause cancer (another false claim in the linked document)

Yes, the same could be said of the covid virus
Exactly, and so it is incredibly disegnous to not mention this in when the (biologically implausible) long term effects of vaccination are being speculated about.

@saltedcaramel1 Hardly disingenuous - long term effects about covid have been spoken about constantly! Fear of long covid was one justification for keeping children out of school, and has been a major part of the ‘should we vaccinate children?’ narrative.

Awareness that covid could present problems later down the line has never been in doubt. But issues later down the line with the vaccines is taboo.

[quote Flyonawalk]@saltedcaramel1 Hardly disingenuous - long term effects about covid have been spoken about constantly! Fear of long covid was one justification for keeping children out of school, and has been a major part of the ‘should we vaccinate children?’ narrative.

Awareness that covid could present problems later down the line has never been in doubt. But issues later down the line with the vaccines is taboo.[/quote]
Not the PP but this is specifically about the letter you posted from misinformation group MFA

In a letter outline that 12-15 year olds should not be offered the vaccine, it is extremely biased to ignore the long term effects of coronavirus when you are specifically speculating about the (theorectically implausible) long-term emerging side effects of vaccination

It is very obviously a hallmark of anti-vaccine group to highlight all the issues of vaccination, and none of infection, in a letter literally arguing against offering it to teens.

^outlining

But issues later down the line with the vaccines is taboo.

Give me strength @Flyonawalk

Explaining why this is not possible is not the same thing as making it "taboo"

If you RTFT, you'll see these issues have been discussed (some multiple times)

@ollyollyoxenfree I have read the full thread. Issues being discussed is not the same as issues being resolved.

We have been fed a lot of propaganda about ‘follow the science’. Robust science can withstand questioning, and depends upon it. Fact doesn’t mind being probed, but falsehood does mind. Fine, we have no long-term facts about vaccine safety, but that is what I am trying to say. No one knows the effect on still-developing bodies of the vaccines being deployed.

You show your bias in calling U.K. Medical Freedom Alliance a ‘misinformation’ group. Their team are highly qualified medical professionals. They campaign for discussion, lack of censorship and informed consent.

@Gingerlovesbiscuits

Thousands of children a month are currently being hospitalised a month in the UK with Covid so yes my children will be having the vaccine as soon as possible. The incidence of issues like myocarditis is still higher after Covid than after vaccination and I don’t want to risk them having long covid. The vaccine is already being rolled out in the US and Canada. I just wish we didn’t have to wait until spring.

I was unaware of this , do you have a link/reference to some official data/sources please?

[quote Flyonawalk]@ollyollyoxenfree I have read the full thread. Issues being discussed is not the same as issues being resolved.

We have been fed a lot of propaganda about ‘follow the science’. Robust science can withstand questioning, and depends upon it. Fact doesn’t mind being probed, but falsehood does mind. Fine, we have no long-term facts about vaccine safety, but that is what I am trying to say. No one knows the effect on still-developing bodies of the vaccines being deployed.

You show your bias in calling U.K. Medical Freedom Alliance a ‘misinformation’ group. Their team are highly qualified medical professionals. They campaign for discussion, lack of censorship and informed consent.[/quote]
You show your bias in calling U.K. Medical Freedom Alliance a ‘misinformation’ group. Their team are highly qualified medical professionals. They campaign for discussion, lack of censorship and informed consent.

Nope not biased- I have read & assessed most of their posts & letter templates. They are full of claims that misleading at best, or simply not true. Most of the time their references do not back up the statements made, and many reply on papers that have been retracted.

There are many professionals that have used their titles to spread misinformation, for various reasons. MFA are one of them unfortunately. Their members overlap significantly with the problematic HART group, who have been thoroughly discredited.

As I've said, the issue isn't someone disagreeing with "the narrative", it's making claims that aren't back up by evidence. There is a reason the majority of the worlds scientists coverge around various aspects of vaccination policy and coronavirus measures.

Robust science can withstand questioning, and depends upon it. Fact doesn’t mind being probed, but falsehood does mind.
Yup but you're not asking questions, you're just repeatedly making false claims. When asked for proof (i.e., that people in Japan have been autopsied and found to have "spike protein" in their organs), you simply swerve onto another false claim.

Waxonwaxoff10 I know it's crazy isn't it?! To get a more unbiased /factual report of situations from Russel brand and propoganda bs from the government and msm. But then again is it such a surprise? When the government are making billions from this and own most of the media!?
By the way have a listen, you might learn something 😉

There is some early concern that omicrom is causing higher rates of hospitalisations in under 2s. They are making up 10% of hospital cases although the authors note it could be down to parents being cautious.

I wonder if that is affecting the decision to immunise younger children.
www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-11-29/young-kids-make-up-10-of-hospital-cases-in-omicron-epicenter

@Scarcity20

Well how convenient! I remember delta came along (which they suggested affected teenagers and younger people) just when they wanted to get more jabs in that age group. Can you really not see through this? Also I've seen suggestions that the new 'moronic' varient may cause blood clots.... Hmmmm now what else do we know causes blood clots? Is anyone wondering why all these fit, healthy athletes are dying on the field? Something like 75 footballers? Nobody wants to know why or is even allowed to ask? Seeing signs trying to normalise heart attacks and strokes in children... Why do you think that is? They are preparing people for what they know will happen if this carries on.

www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/nov/19/blog-posting/dozens-prominent-athletes-did-not-die-heart-attack/

@Scarcity20

Leafygreens or was it the fact that the jcvi recommended AGAINST vaccinating the 12-17 year old age group originally so the government managed to sneak it through by claiming it was for their mental health as it might affect them if they had to isolate etc. They are making billions the more vaccines they dish out. That is the reason for the constant u turns. None of this is about health. They've all been paid off. Doctors are getting an extra £10 per child they jab too. Nice little incentive. It's all true, go look it up if you don't believe me....!

This is a really poor understanding of the situation.