Vaccine for 5+

[NotTheBaby]

It’s on sky news now. Leaked document stating 5 year olds and above to be vaccinated from spring. I’m so hesitant to get my children done, when I couldn’t wait for mine. Why is this so much harder than it should be? Or am I just overthinking it?

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Serious question: who here thinks we will be given an actual choice? I would definitely like to have long term safety data before I make any decision on behalf of my children (who FYI have all had covid, and also have all their childhood immunisations), and there is no way we will have that for another couple of years. But I think life may soon become unlivable for the unvaccinated. Domestic covid passports are becoming the norm in other countries, and it could happen here too. I can't raise my children in separation from the rest of society, they have to be able to attend school, play sports, go to theatres, restaurants, birthday parties.

The pressure to vaccinate our children is going to be enormous.

@itsacat

Serious question: who here thinks we will be given an actual choice? I would definitely like to have long term safety data before I make any decision on behalf of my children (who FYI have all had covid, and also have all their childhood immunisations), and there is no way we will have that for another couple of years. But I think life may soon become unlivable for the unvaccinated. Domestic covid passports are becoming the norm in other countries, and it could happen here too. I can't raise my children in separation from the rest of society, they have to be able to attend school, play sports, go to theatres, restaurants, birthday parties.

The pressure to vaccinate our children is going to be enormous.

who here thinks we will be given an actual choice?

I do.

In the UK, currently no pressure to vaccinate 12-15 year olds either no, let alone restrictions. We don't even have vaccine passports for adults.

In the other places like France, restrictions are from 12+ only, no mention on 5-11 year olds.

The adult mandatory vaccination policy being discussed is madness (and I doubt will ever be implemented) but even with that insanity there is no talk of it being applied to children. And their situation is very differnet to the UK - strong anti-vax presence, and such low rates of vaccination that they are being forced into applying measures to encourage people to take it up.

Oh and I meant to say - restrictions in Europe (and many other countries) have the alternative to vaccination - negative test or previous COVID infection in certain time period.

@saltedcaramel1 Germany and Austria soon entered offer that option anymore

Apologies, meant t say they soon won’t offer that option.

[quote itsacat]@saltedcaramel1 Germany and Austria soon entered offer that option anymore[/quote]
Not sure what you mean by that - haven't seen anything to indicate that vaccination will be mandatory for 5-11 year olds.

But you seem to be focussing on a tiny portion of my post - the UK isn't comparable to Austria. The anti-vax community is rife, vaccine rates aren't good. They're attempting to drive up vaccinating rates because they've been forced to, but I doubt it will ever be implemented.

In contrast, in the UK, currently no pressure to vaccinate 12-15 year olds, much less restrictions. The decison said not be clear for this age group, let alone for those younger. We don't even have vaccine passports for adults. Not really sure how this current situation could make you concerend that vaccination for children will be enforced?

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This worries me. What do people think of this?

@Russianmax

mobile.twitter.com/MikeMaverick69/status/1463276837723938821/photo/1

This worries me. What do people think of this?

Nope it doesn't worry me and nope nothing has been "buried". I would also question the motives of someone with a #leaveourkidsalone hashtag in their name, who regularly shares dubious retweets.

Myocarditis due to vaccination is incredibly rare in 12-15 year olds. Following this logic, this means a huge number of children would need to be included in a trial for 5-11 year olds for it to be detected. If someone gives the actual rate I can whip up a power calculation and tell you how many would need to be included.

This is always an issue in trials - not possible to have the statistical power to detect very rare side effects.

In Canada they just started vaccinating ages 5-11

They also hope to start vaccinating babies starting early next year

And the latest leaks from a whistle-blower on the pfizer trials are more proof of what a shambles this whole thing is!! Check out Russel brand video on it and then decide if you think they've researched this new drug enough before they inject it into your kids

@Scarcity20

And the latest leaks from a whistle-blower on the pfizer trials are more proof of what a shambles this whole thing is!! Check out Russel brand video on it and then decide if you think they've researched this new drug enough before they inject it into your kids

Ah yes. Russell Brand, the known expert scientist and virologist. He's exactly who we should be listening to for advice about vaccines.

I find the pressure to vaccinate small children appalling.

To the posters who say the vaccines are safe because side effects are rare - have you considered long term effects at all? If not, why not? No one can say that long term effects won’t be severe.

Traditional vaccines typically introduce a small amount of a pathogen. Your body reacts to it and recognises it in future.

MRNA vaccines do not work like this. They make the body produce a spike protein, and keep on producing it. Scientists simply do not know what the long term effect of this will be. Where do the accumulating spike proteins go? What harm do they do? How do they affect the brain? The nervous system? The developing reproductive system of young children?

I am amazed that parents who carefully check E numbers in their children’s food have not asked these questions, or reacted to the fact that the scientists who worked on these vaccines admit that they do not have answers.

@Flyonawalk

I find the pressure to vaccinate small children appalling.

To the posters who say the vaccines are safe because side effects are rare - have you considered long term effects at all? If not, why not? No one can say that long term effects won’t be severe.

Traditional vaccines typically introduce a small amount of a pathogen. Your body reacts to it and recognises it in future.

MRNA vaccines do not work like this. They make the body produce a spike protein, and keep on producing it. Scientists simply do not know what the long term effect of this will be. Where do the accumulating spike proteins go? What harm do they do? How do they affect the brain? The nervous system? The developing reproductive system of young children?

I am amazed that parents who carefully check E numbers in their children’s food have not asked these questions, or reacted to the fact that the scientists who worked on these vaccines admit that they do not have answers.

Exactly this. Many people saying ‘since when have vaccines ever had long term effects’ well this one is unlike any vaccine we’ve had before. Never mind the immediate side effects - it’s the unknown long term effects I’m worried about

Traditional vaccines typically introduce a small amount of a pathogen. Your body reacts to it and recognises it in future.MRNA vaccines do not work like this. They make the body produce a spike protein, and keep on producing it. Scientists simply do not know what the long term effect of this will be.

@Flyonawalk
This is entirely incorrect.

mRNA is short lived - it is very rapidly broken down in your body's cells. Decades of molecular biology research demonstrate this to the case. It is impossible for your cells to continue producing it.

Scientists simply do not know what the long term effect of this will be
There is no long term effect here - your cells cannot keep producing something for which they have no template.

Why ignore the numerous experts who have carefully explained this (there's so many public enagement videos/articles out there) and continue to say things that aren't true?

Exactly this. Many people saying ‘since when have vaccines ever had long term effects’ well this one is unlike any vaccine we’ve had before.
@Silverswirl see above

Yet again, another thread on an important topic which seems to be impossible to discuss without anti-vaccine misinformation detracting

@saltedcaramel1 it isn’t incorrect.

Seventeen bodies autopsied in Japan post vaccine showed concentration of the spike protein in the reproductive system, and showed that the spike had crossed the blood-brain barrier. Asked why, Pfizer admitted that they do not know.

This doesn’t inspire confidence.

And none of this is backing up your claims that mRNA is somehow remaining in the body indefinitely and being continually translated to spike protein

Can you link to the study from Japan? I'm not sure I believe the story

@dementedpixie

Can you link to the study from Japan? I'm not sure I believe the story

There will be no link because it did not happen.

[quote Flyonawalk]@saltedcaramel1 it isn’t incorrect.

Seventeen bodies autopsied in Japan post vaccine showed concentration of the spike protein in the reproductive system, and showed that the spike had crossed the blood-brain barrier. Asked why, Pfizer admitted that they do not know.

This doesn’t inspire confidence.[/quote]
Links?

sciencebasedmedicine.org/covid-19-vaccines-are-going-to-sterilize-our-womenfolk-take-2/

It's talked about in here (sort of). A Japanese study on rats with lipid nanoparticles I think so nothing to do with the actual vaccine or people

@dementedpixie

sciencebasedmedicine.org/covid-19-vaccines-are-going-to-sterilize-our-womenfolk-take-2/

It's talked about in here (sort of). A Japanese study on rats with lipid nanoparticles I think so nothing to do with the actual vaccine or people

Yes! This is what I was going to link to

Did want to see what @Flyonawalk came up with first though