Vaccinations to made a legal requirement in Austria from Feb 2022

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Days after Austria imposed a lockdown on the unvaccinated, it has announced a full national Covid-19 lockdown starting on Monday.

Chancellor Alexander Schallenberg said it would last at least 10 days and there would be a legal requirement to get vaccinated from 1 February 2022.

Jesus. I'm shocked by that. I'm not an antivaxxer but I still very concerned that a country could make any vaccine a legal requirement! I feel it's a step too far.

There is no such thing as a 'perfectly safe vaccine' or indeed a 'perfectly safe medicine'. There are always risks, even if very small. This 'perfectly safe' label has to stop, it's just plain wrong.

@Snowisfallinghere

If people weren't such idiots declining the perfectly safe vaccine in the first place, they wouldn't be in this situation.

Also bodily autonomy goes out the window if you're posing a threat to yourself and/or others. Collectively, large numbers of people refusing to get vaxxed does pose a massive threat to public health.

No more so than it always has with other illnesses. Were you this concerned about spreading norovirus before which can kill the vulnerable just as easily? Again, feel free to move to Austria because this country will rightly never accept this.

@Snowisfallinghere

If people weren't such idiots declining the perfectly safe vaccine in the first place, they wouldn't be in this situation.

Also bodily autonomy goes out the window if you're posing a threat to yourself and/or others. Collectively, large numbers of people refusing to get vaxxed does pose a massive threat to public health.

Perfectly safe?

Ignorance truly is bliss.

How about those who are suffering from the after-effects of the vaccine?

How about those who have died from taking the vaccine?

How about the kids and adults suffering from heart conditions after being vaccinated?

Please jump off your pedestal; you have no idea what you are talking about.

For me, the line was crossed ages ago, at the start, with connecting vaccine take up to lockdowns at all. I am completely against people having to have the vaccine in order to be employed, vaccine passports, any of it.

I appreciate that there are lots of arguments on the other side. But if this doesn't cross a line for almost everyone, I think we are truly fucked.

@workshy44

GOOD Before covid the most infectious disease known to man was measles and you needed 1 in 18 not to be vaccinated for herd immunity. Covid is infinitely more infectious and unless people get vaccinated it will NEVER end. There are some people who can't be vaccinated for medical reasons so they take up the tiny% who don't require vaccination for herd immunity it is beyond selfish. These are unprecedented times- personal freedoms go out the window as far as I am concerned.

You genuinely think that is acceptable then? Thankfully, many have an opposite view and will be prepared to stand up for their freedom and yours.

Maybe they'll just hold down the unvaccinated and properly force-vaccinate them.....like they do in some places in China:

www.hrw.org/news/2021/09/28/chinas-use-force-and-coercion-drive-its-covid-19-vaccination-rate-not-answer

@ancientgran

There are countries you can't visit unless you have had certain vaccines so I don't find it that shocking.

That is very different from having to be vaccinated to live in your own country.

I can manage to have an extremely full existence without needing a yellow fever vaccination.

[quote NearlyAlwaysInsane]Maybe they'll just hold down the unvaccinated and properly force-vaccinate them.....like they do in some places in China:

www.hrw.org/news/2021/09/28/chinas-use-force-and-coercion-drive-its-covid-19-vaccination-rate-not-answer[/quote]
Not just China but in the UK also….

metro.co.uk/2021/04/19/care-home-resident-held-down-and-vaccinated-against-her-will-14437188/

Fuck me, do people really believe this shit?

Measles has a 90% transmission rate for unvaccinated/not immune people. 1 in 4 require hospitalisation. Case Fatality Rates in unvaccinated populations is as high as 30%.

Covid is far far less transmissible, and the hospitalisation percentages are in low single figures. CFR in this country (more accurate than in some other countries because if asymptomatic testing) is about 1.5%.

Mandatory vaccinations is revolting and frankly terrifying, but particularly for a disease that is either mild or asymptomatic in the vast majority of cases.

it is beyond selfish. These are unprecedented times- personal freedoms go out the window as far as I am concerned

oh give over. The vaccine has killed people too. Personally I was too scared of long covid not to be vaccinated but everyone has a free choice.

And I got vaccinated to protect me. I expect other people to get vaccinated to protect them. If they don't, their problem. Yes I know some people can't be vaccinated but they are vulnerable to other diseases too.

This is shocking and a very concerning precious has now been set.

I’ve had 3 doses of the vaccine, DH has had 2, and dc 1 each. We’ve had to show covid passes to get into events. We lft twice a week. But we have chosen to do all of this. I’m worried about what the UK government will take from the decision taken in Austria.

@workshy44 - When the first speech is censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied it chains us all irrevocably.

You're on the 'right side' so agree with the governments and are happy for our rights and freedoms to be denied. What about when the precedent is set and you find yourself on the wrong side and people are denying you, your freedoms? it's true we just vote for an elected dictator now. Personal freedoms are never given back and laws a never repealed.

Thinking Covid is worse than measles is just illustrating how well the propaganda is working.

I’m not a covid denier and I am fully vaccinated but come on, wake up.

Collectively, large numbers of people refusing to get vaxxed does pose a massive threat to public health

I don't disagree. But you need persuasion, not coercion.

I too am astounded. I am 140% pro vaccine. Got my booster soon. But to allow a government to legally require you to jab yourself is beyond the pale. I'd be moving if I could. Out of order.

I too am astounded. I am 140% pro vaccine. Got my booster soon. But to allow a government to legally require you to jab yourself is beyond the pale. I'd be moving if I could. Out of order.

Any "Teutonic types" - as a pp so charmingly referred to them-actually in Austria with opinions?

The UK govt won't take anything from it as we can't even get people to wear masks here on the Tube. Or for that matter get NHS staff to be vaxxed.

its one hell of a precedent to hand over bodily autonomy to the state

This terrifies me, I am huge advocate for vaccines, but everyone should have the freedom to choose what happens to their own bodies, I feel similar about losing their jobs if they're unvaccinated.

If countries are struggling with vaccine hesitancy then they need to be working on providing clear and understandable information and easing peoples concerns that way rather than ruling by fear

@MrsArchchancellorRidcully

I too am astounded. I am 140% pro vaccine. Got my booster soon. But to allow a government to legally require you to jab yourself is beyond the pale. I'd be moving if I could. Out of order.

140? Does that make me 130? I didn't think anyone has a fourth jab yet.

Jokes aside. I don't know what the government is like there normally. Do they have a good majority etc, does anyone know.

@ColinTheKoala this is what I meant.....you said it better than me

@TomelettewithGreggs

Any "Teutonic types" - as a pp so charmingly referred to them-actually in Austria with opinions?

The UK govt won't take anything from it as we can't even get people to wear masks here on the Tube. Or for that matter get NHS staff to be vaxxed.

Nice username

Yellow fever and TB are far deadlier than Covid19 because they don’t have a great survival rate. They kill healthy individuals. Most people recover from Covid19 and only have flu like symptoms. The “but but you have to be vaccinated against Yellow Fever to visit Africa” is not a good enough argument to take away the public’s bodily autonomy. If people are forced to be vaccinated against Covid19 then it sets a very dangerous precedent. Vaccinations are to protect you (which is why I have had most vaccinations including MMR and TB).

it is beyond selfish. These are unprecedented times- personal freedoms go out the window as far as I am concerned

That's how it starts people saying it is for the greater good when it isn't really and pretty offensive, any other forced medical procedures you want to see for the greater good.

This is tyrannical.
And I'm double-jabbed, planning to get my booster ASAP.

Vaccines can cause harm. Who is liable then, if vaccination is mandatory?

The most likely consequence of all this, is probably some medics handing out fake vaccination certificates, and injecting vaccine objectors with saline solution, quite frankly.
Just like some people who really wanted the jab jumped the queue by asking favors from their GP friends, some GPs will act according to their conscience and pretend to inject people, on the basis that forced vaccination is unethical (e.g. mental harm would seem greater than physical benefit, + belief in patient autonomy, etc.)

Public health is not medicine. Medicine is individualised care, for the patient's own benefit only. A private relationship between patient and practitioner.
Public health is more about herd management... Turning "health" into a communal public good to be managed, not something private that belongs to each individual...
When the two concepts happen to clash, I know which side I'm on: no means no, my body, my choice.