Vaccinations to made a legal requirement in Austria from Feb 2022

[littlelordfuckleroy]

Days after Austria imposed a lockdown on the unvaccinated, it has announced a full national Covid-19 lockdown starting on Monday.

Chancellor Alexander Schallenberg said it would last at least 10 days and there would be a legal requirement to get vaccinated from 1 February 2022.

Jesus. I'm shocked by that. I'm not an antivaxxer but I still very concerned that a country could make any vaccine a legal requirement! I feel it's a step too far.

Controlling a population might seem a good idea but when you start to get kick back you’re losing something too

Many protests in various countries

@MarshaBradyo

Controlling a population might seem a good idea but when you start to get kick back you’re losing something too

Many protests in various countries

I've noticed the news here in Canada is massively downplaying this. Mainly because my relatives in Australia told me what was going on there and sent me video. These are not small protests! From what I've been able to find the ones in Europe aren't just fringe either but it's harder to tell for me.

I find that very worrying, but the public radio here has a clear pro-vaccine policy in their content so no serious discussion that questions mandates seems to be allowed.

People seem to be walking into this, not with their eyes closed, but just quite happily.

I've just read that Germany is looking at going down the compulsary route as well but I can't find firm confirmation from a reliable source yet, before someone comes to sneer at me.

Their vaccination rate isn't dissimilar to ours either.

It's worrying as it seems to be the case with these measures that one country implements something, a lot of people are appalled but the next thing is several other countries do it too and it starts to feel normalised and the usual voices are then calling for the same to happen in the UK.

I thought this was an interesting read. www.theguardian.com/world/2021/nov/21/icu-is-full-of-the-unvaccinated-my-patience-with-them-is-wearing-thin

[quote ancientgran]I thought this was an interesting read. www.theguardian.com/world/2021/nov/21/icu-is-full-of-the-unvaccinated-my-patience-with-them-is-wearing-thin[/quote]
I’d like to see the data to back up these claims.

A 60 year old in ICU is not uncommon, also other respiratory virus are in circulation.

Well they should get a new job and they haven't seen a December in NHS before.

It's bizzare how many we keep seeing dieing but now telling people to get the jab.

It almost seems like propoganda.

I have had both jabs so I'm not a anti vaxxer, I don't care if anyone has or hasn't.

The most recent ICNARC report on critical care gives a good picture on this.

Some key findings:

• ICUs are about 1/3 full of Covid patients, meaning that normal ICU demand is currently relying on 2/3 of normal capacity.
• This is partly because Covid patients spend on average much longer in ICU.
• Patients in ICU (on the most recent analysis which doesn’t show the full impacts of waning, so a health warning on that) are overwhelmingly unvaccinated. Vaccines reduced the risks of ICU close to 100-fold.
• the average age of Covid ICU admission has risen from mid-40s to mid-50s but is currently pretty stable.
• in recent months patients in critical care beds have consistently been above pre-pandemic critical care capacity levels (so these patients aren’t people who would have just been in critical care with something else.)

Sorry, that was @userperuser

@JassyRadlett

Sorry, that was *@userperuser*

So ICU admissions are not solely unvaccinated.

It will take time for me to read that report.

Also check out the BMIs of critical care patients in the report.

@bumbleymummy

Also check out the BMIs of critical care patients in the report.

I’ll have a look at that, it’s something I’ve mentioned on these threads as it needs highlighting as a risk.

@bumbleymummy

Also check out the BMIs of critical care patients in the report.

Careful you don't get accused of fat shaming. I remember the pictures of the healthcare workers who died during the early days of the pandemic. The elephant in the room was their weight. I think that is why the UK has done particularly bad as a nation... we are not healthy at all.

It is a difficult topic to raise. I wonder how much it has helped in Japan - who are much lower on bmi list for countries

Other factors too but it’s hard if you can’t even raise it as one of them

80% of patients requiring "basic respiratory support" had BMI over overweight, obese or morbidly obese between 1st sept 20 - 30 April 21.
82% were overweight, obese or morbidly obese between 1st May 21 to date

@bumbleymummy @XenoBitch @MarshaBradyo a quick google of Covid ward pictures shows the vast majority in there were at least overweight if not obese.

People really need to start taking some responsibility because 100% vaccination won't stop some transmission and if you have continued to live an unhealthy lifestyle when we have known this is a massive factor you have a much greater chance of a poor outcome

So ICU admissions are not solely unvaccinated.

No, but the quantum between the two is so great that it would not be surprising if many ICUs contained only unvaccinated patients. (In fact looking at those figures, it would be surprising if there was a vaccinated patient in every, or even most, ICUs.)

It will take time for me to read that report.

Yes, it contains a good level of detail. You did ask for data!

@JassyRadlett

So ICU admissions are not solely unvaccinated.

No, but the quantum between the two is so great that it would not be surprising if many ICUs contained only unvaccinated patients. (In fact looking at those figures, it would be surprising if there was a vaccinated patient in every, or even most, ICUs.)

It will take time for me to read that report.

Yes, it contains a good level of detail. You did ask for data!

Additionally as pointed out an overwhelming amount in ICU have high BMI in both vaccinated and unvaccinated which is something that cannot continue to be ignored considering high BMI and it’s related conditions form a significant percentage of the CV that all measures have been intended to protect.

Additionally as pointed out an overwhelming amount in ICU have high BMI in both vaccinated and unvaccinated which is something that cannot continue to be ignored considering high BMI and it’s related conditions form a significant percentage of the CV that all measures have been intended to protect.

I haven’t said otherwise.

You asked for data on ICU occupancy relative to vaccine status, I shared it. I’m not advancing any policies or positions here. Just information.

I know JassyRadlett

Just adding comment to the key findings you posted.

Ok, I thought you were responding to me, apologies. I’ll butt out now!

@theworldsgonefeckingmad

80% of patients requiring "basic respiratory support" had BMI over overweight, obese or morbidly obese between 1st sept 20 - 30 April 21. 82% were overweight, obese or morbidly obese between 1st May 21 to date

But if it is mainly overweight/obese people who haven't had the vaccine it still indicates people are at more risk if unvaccinated.

@JassyRadlett

So ICU admissions are not solely unvaccinated.

No, but the quantum between the two is so great that it would not be surprising if many ICUs contained only unvaccinated patients. (In fact looking at those figures, it would be surprising if there was a vaccinated patient in every, or even most, ICUs.)

It will take time for me to read that report.

Yes, it contains a good level of detail. You did ask for data!

If 90% of people are vaccinated it is even more out of kilter if the majority in hospital/icu are the unvaccinated.

ancientgran

The BMI factor needs highlighting as the reason drastic measures are being taken is to prevent the vulnerable from overwhelming the NHS, a large proportion of which have high BMI, it’s taking a sledgehammer to the problem to see all unvaccinated people as cause. Additionally of those vaccinated in ICU high BMI is a common factor.

Obese people all getting to a normal BMI or getting the vaccine? I know which I think is more likely and possible for the coming weeks.

@ancientgran

Obese people all getting to a normal BMI or getting the vaccine? I know which I think is more likely and possible for the coming weeks.

Those with elevated BMI have had nearly 2 years to address this and if it continues to be ignored the issues it’s causing will continue including poor outcomes for the high BMI fully vaccinated.

I wonder what percentage of CV/CEV are in that category due to BMI and related conditions?