Vaccinations to made a legal requirement in Austria from Feb 2022

[littlelordfuckleroy]

Days after Austria imposed a lockdown on the unvaccinated, it has announced a full national Covid-19 lockdown starting on Monday.

Chancellor Alexander Schallenberg said it would last at least 10 days and there would be a legal requirement to get vaccinated from 1 February 2022.

Jesus. I'm shocked by that. I'm not an antivaxxer but I still very concerned that a country could make any vaccine a legal requirement! I feel it's a step too far.

To me and many people bodily autonomy is not ‘a flaky right’.

@MarbleQueen made some brilliant points a few pages back.
There have been so many questionable tactics and decisions taken which appear to completely ignore basic scientific understanding but if the two news stories that emerged this week don’t finally wake the population up before it is too late then I think we have no hope.

1. A European country, part of the European Community with a world class human rights court and legislation announces that they will be forcing all citizens to be vaccinated, some against their will. The European state of Austria, with its recent historical past to reference, is effectively announcing that they will now own and control what goes into the bodies of their population.
2. Pfizer announces that it wants to lock away the details of its trials and results for 55 years. Just seriously WTAF? What possible reason could they have to make this request if there was nothing to hide and we were all supposed to continue trusting in their vaccine? The vaccine that incidentally seems to be the one that most people must have for their booster.

It’s horrifying that we find ourselves here but I am willing for the above two stories to finally break the spell and give us all a chance to win back our lives and freedoms by making more people sit up and ask some questions.

Colin whereabouts are you?

[quote chloworm]@ichundich I don’t know, any country that hasn’t mandated compulsory COVID vaccines? If I lived in Austria (and therefore could move easily to another EU country) I might well consider it, whether I’d been vaccinated or not. It’s pretty easy to move within the EU. It’s a possibility for sure.[/quote]
How likely is that many other EU countries follow suit? Germany is already discussing compulsory vaccinations; it's been reported today. I doubt that many people, beyond working themselves into a rage, will do do much, let alone 'emigrate' / leave behind their whole life over this issue. The alternative to vaccination is lockdown after lockdown after lockdown. Can you really not see how damaging this is?

@MarshaBradyo

Colin whereabouts are you?

I'm here love 😍. Did you need some logic?

[quote Lostinacloud]@MarbleQueen made some brilliant points a few pages back.
There have been so many questionable tactics and decisions taken which appear to completely ignore basic scientific understanding but if the two news stories that emerged this week don’t finally wake the population up before it is too late then I think we have no hope.

1. A European country, part of the European Community with a world class human rights court and legislation announces that they will be forcing all citizens to be vaccinated, some against their will. The European state of Austria, with its recent historical past to reference, is effectively announcing that they will now own and control what goes into the bodies of their population.
2. Pfizer announces that it wants to lock away the details of its trials and results for 55 years. Just seriously WTAF? What possible reason could they have to make this request if there was nothing to hide and we were all supposed to continue trusting in their vaccine? The vaccine that incidentally seems to be the one that most people must have for their booster.

It’s horrifying that we find ourselves here but I am willing for the above two stories to finally break the spell and give us all a chance to win back our lives and freedoms by making more people sit up and ask some questions.[/quote]
I think on your point 2, you’re talking about the US FDA?

Detail on that story is here, via Reuters. ‘Lock away’ doesn’t seem accurate, unless you’re talking about a different story?

Lol Colin made me laugh

I meant in which country?

[quote Lostinacloud]@MarbleQueen made some brilliant points a few pages back.
There have been so many questionable tactics and decisions taken which appear to completely ignore basic scientific understanding but if the two news stories that emerged this week don’t finally wake the population up before it is too late then I think we have no hope.

1. A European country, part of the European Community with a world class human rights court and legislation announces that they will be forcing all citizens to be vaccinated, some against their will. The European state of Austria, with its recent historical past to reference, is effectively announcing that they will now own and control what goes into the bodies of their population.
2. Pfizer announces that it wants to lock away the details of its trials and results for 55 years. Just seriously WTAF? What possible reason could they have to make this request if there was nothing to hide and we were all supposed to continue trusting in their vaccine? The vaccine that incidentally seems to be the one that most people must have for their booster.

It’s horrifying that we find ourselves here but I am willing for the above two stories to finally break the spell and give us all a chance to win back our lives and freedoms by making more people sit up and ask some questions.[/quote]
Is the Pfizer 55 years story in MSM?

Why have I missed this?

Love? Urgh

@MarshaBradyo

Lol Colin made me laugh

I meant in which country?

Ah sorry! Im in ireland now but France mostly.

@userperuser

Love? Urgh

Nite nite 👍

Ok but Ireland has had some tough times re healthcare?

I personally support vaccination and believe it should be promoted. I don’t support state-mandated control of what is injected into someone. I don’t support medical coercion. Austria is landlocked. It’s not that hard to move across the border. Some people may consider it, is all I’m saying @ichundich

France too at various points

And I think Ireland is higher than U.K. atm?

Long lockdowns also

I mean I get you’d think I’m glad I’m not in the U.K. (as some are so inclined) but Ireland sounds tough from here

@chloworm

I apologise if someone has already mentioned this, but I wonder if some Austrian citizens move to another EU country (easily done) or claim asylum in other countries, due to human rights violations in Austria?

They wouldn't like it here (Italy) Our schools have mandatory vaccination for children. No childhood vaccinations, no school.

@MarshaBradyo

Ok but Ireland has had some tough times re healthcare?

Yeah its all over the place. No real policy so cases running high. Healthcare a disaster. Vax passports kinda used and lots of masks but not enough to reduce cases. France is much better. I will say this, in the last few weeks anyone who is not vaccinated is really feeling the pressure socially.

Pfizer data story

SencosRshit here you go.

@CupcakeTowers

I'm from Austria and the threat of prison time is wildly out of context. Every court verdict involving a monetary fine in the Austrian justice system needs to have an equivalent of "prison time". I've had a traffic ticket that included "X hours withdrawal of freedom" in the small print. I've also had a minor bureaucratic fine regarding forgetting to update some details on a government website within the required time frame that resulted in "€36 or 4 hours prison time". I'm not even sure you are allowed to actually sit out the time instead of paying the fine, I think it's some kind of bizarre archaic formality. There's no chance they are actually putting anyone in jail for not getting vaccinated, in the same way nobody goes to prison because you got a speeding ticket.

Though having said that, I'm pretty surprised they went from half-arsed regulations to a vaccine mandate within weeks.

This is bloody weird anyway

@MarshaBradyo

France too at various points

And I think Ireland is higher than U.K. atm?

Long lockdowns also

I mean I get you’d think I’m glad I’m not in the U.K. (as some are so inclined) but Ireland sounds tough from here

I think lots of places have had it hard, we all had but I think Boris and Co are happy to let cases run?

@ichundich

We were just watching the news here, and politicians and members of the public being asked would they support a lockdown of only non-vaccinated. Consensus was that given the figures right now, it doesn't need to be even a vague possibility, and shouldn't ever get to lockdown anyway, but in the unlikely event it did, then absolutely. The governors of the hardest hit regions in the north in particular favour. Italy won't forget quickly what it went through in March 20 and if there's even a sniff on the horizon of anything remotely similar coming its way, it'll be locked down faster than you can say "get on that last train out of Milan" At the moment, it could come to further restrictions on the non vaccinated should cases rise worryingly.

The thing is we’ve all been hammered. Well many of us - if we listed the countries it would include many people are posting from

So does that mean we can’t say no I don’t agree with this?

I think no

Oh and so many protests and flare ups even in places like Melbourne - where most damage is lockdown

So and I reckon we’ve been pretty good here overall. But still it’s ok to say I would not be happy with this

That’s interesting @Geamhradh Can you be fined for non-compliance? I do kind of get that, as childhood diseases e.g. measles, mumps etc. are often extremely dangerous (statistically much worse than COVID). But is it a crime not to have those vaccines?

@MarshaBradyo

The thing is we’ve all been hammered. Well many of us - if we listed the countries it would include many people are posting from

So does that mean we can’t say no I don’t agree with this?

I think no

Oh and so many protests and flare ups even in places like Melbourne - where most damage is lockdown

So and I reckon we’ve been pretty good here overall. But still it’s ok to say I would not be happy with this

Thats your right to disagree. I think vaccination will be mandatory everywhere in Europe eventually and it will be like a measles or flu vaccine.

I think vaccination will be mandatory everywhere in Europe eventually

Luckily I am pro vaccination so will have it but that statement still gets me

@MaxNormal

Pfizer data story

SencosRshit here you go.

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This is not Pfizer locking their data away for 55 years

Read the article - it says that the FDA needs to review 329,000 pages in order to respond to a FOI request in order to remove business/confidential/privacy information from it. They reckon they could reasonably do it at a rate of 500 pages per month, which means it would take 55 years in total.