Vaccinations to made a legal requirement in Austria from Feb 2022

[littlelordfuckleroy]

Days after Austria imposed a lockdown on the unvaccinated, it has announced a full national Covid-19 lockdown starting on Monday.

Chancellor Alexander Schallenberg said it would last at least 10 days and there would be a legal requirement to get vaccinated from 1 February 2022.

Jesus. I'm shocked by that. I'm not an antivaxxer but I still very concerned that a country could make any vaccine a legal requirement! I feel it's a step too far.

[quote Horizons83]@Colin56 - you wrote this:

'Cant happen fast enough for me. Get vaccinated or dont participate. My freedom to participate in life is because I choose to get vaccinated. If you want to stay selfish then stay at home.'

You do realise that if this law did come into affect, someone who chose not to get vaccinated could stay at home, voluntarily self isolate, exclude themselves from society, do all that you suggest, and still be fined and/or sent to prison?

That is what is so terrifying about this prospect. I say this as someone who is doubly vaccinated, am very happy to have to show a Covid pass to get into restaurants/sports stadiums etc if required... but making a vaccination mandatory is off the scale in terms of state overreach.[/quote]
@Horizons83 Yes I did write that. Whats the answer then? Lots of people make up reasons why they wont/dont get vaccinated and their actions impinge on my rights to freedom and resourced healthcare if I need it? That your answer? No, not mine either. If they dont want to get vaccinated they should move somewhere else.

Again Colin56

You do realise you will remain at risk from covid even with 100% vaccinated? If you’re that terrified of it no amount of measures will be enough.

It may be a reduced risk but you won’t know who is infected so the concept is pointless on an individual level.

If you strip that out of your argument you are essentially just in support of a totalitarian policy.

It is just fascinating the number of people who hold such staunch black and white views and are full on board with vehemently "othering" people. Many of whom I suspect are just as black and white against "othering" when it suits their tastes.

And all of it under the guise of "public health". We are facing a public health crisis that does not discriminate, does not "other" I would have more respect for those who hold a position of "othering" if they were at least consistent in their "othering"

If they really want to see lockdowns, mandates, laws under the guise of the greater good, then by god it better be for everyone. Covid doesn't care if the person entering the supermarket is a two year old who can't be vaccinated. They ought not be allowed in because they are a threat to public health. Compromised immune system and can't be vaccinated? Covid does not care. If they are out and go to the theatre, they are a threat to public health. I mean, if people are going to "other", at least do it right.

At the rate things are going, it is only a matter of time before people will be required to externally present their vaccination status in the form of a badge, arm band, or other symbol, to where anyone will be able to tell a persons vaccination status at a glance. The rationale behind such a requirement would be one of streamlining, making it easier for places of public accommodation to more quickly and easily if a person is allowed access or not.

@userperuser

Again Colin56

You do realise you will remain at risk from covid even with 100% vaccinated? If you’re that terrified of it no amount of measures will be enough.

It may be a reduced risk but you won’t know who is infected so the concept is pointless on an individual level.

If you strip that out of your argument you are essentially just in support of a totalitarian policy.

I don't see many arguing based on personal risk or because they are personally worried about contracting the virus

What you seem to fail to understand (despite many posters explaining it to you), is that it is the overall level of cases and transmission & what this translates to clinically which is the issue.

I have been vaccinated maybe I am odd one out I don't care if others have or have not.

leafyygreens

Please read the posters original comment I was referring to.

The poster previously claimed that they couldn’t participate in life unless everyone was vaccinated, your response is exactly the point I was making.

@AWitchCalledMeg

Oh here we go, ‘the unvaxxed are so selfish’. What is appallingly, sickeningly selfish is to expect others to be injected against their will simply because you are a cringing coward quivering with fear over something as low risk as covid. Putting children at risk with experimental drugs to protect your own miserable skins against a minuscule risk. Revolting. Also, how thick do you need to be to be cheering on the stripping of your own rights; to want no say on what is injected into you and your children’s bodies - now and in the future once such a dangerous president has been set. Jesus wept, what a sorry lot you are.

Not sure why you think it is low risk, do you realise that millions have died in this pandemic?

You are being really offensive. Must be something wrong with your argument if you need to be so rude.

Which president were you thinking of? Trump or someone else.

So stop making silly comparisons between covid and a disease with a CFR > 10 times higher. And, as a pp also pointed out, proof of vaccination against yellow fever isn’t required by citizens to go to shop/restaurant cinema. It’s ridiculous to bring it up in this discussion

The point is that there can be laws introduced, and enforced, about vaccination.

You live in a world where you are safe from many infectious diseases because previous generations were vaccinated. Unless you are as old as me you won't remember the horrors of polio, or the queues for small pox jabs when there were outbreaks. You might never have seen your child struggling to breathe when they have whooping cough, or dangerously ill with measles.

Vaccinations have made your life much safer but you take that for granted.

@littlelordfuckleroy

*Say what? The people you know and associate with are more likely to be liars that randoms on MN? You know some very strange people if that's your idea.

SM (and forums like this) are, I imagine made up of far more lies than real life interaction. By definition. That's without factoring in the shills and astroturfers.*

Not really what I said. Like most people, I don't ask friends and acquaintances what their vaccine status is. Online we discuss these things and people won't feel uncomfortable saying they're unvaccinated because it's anonymous.

Everyone I work with has to be vaccinated so it isn't even a discussion. Why would my family lie to me, how weird to have my kids phoning me and saying they've just had the jab if they haven't.

Does anybody remember that year that the BBC ran that spoof haunted house show one Halloween that hundreds of thousands believed and it scared the shit out of?

Power of the media.

@userperuser

Again Colin56

You do realise you will remain at risk from covid even with 100% vaccinated? If you’re that terrified of it no amount of measures will be enough.

It may be a reduced risk but you won’t know who is infected so the concept is pointless on an individual level.

If you strip that out of your argument you are essentially just in support of a totalitarian policy.

@userperuser So I will answer your points as you raise them:

You do realise you will remain at risk from covid even with 100% vaccinated? If you’re that terrified of it no amount of measures will be enough. Absolutely at risk but the more vaccinated people there are the less risk of transmission, its a cumulative effect. I got vaccinated for my own safety but thats also a benefit for others in that I am a low risk of transmission

It may be a reduced risk but you won’t know who is infected so the concept is pointless on an individual level. No but there will less unvaccinated so less risk. I was in France recently at an event and it was vaccine pass only so highly less risky

If you strip that out of your argument you are essentially just in support of a totalitarian policy.Not at all but Im not having the uninformed or contrarians undermining my rights because they wont listen to science or logic

I apologise if someone has already mentioned this, but I wonder if some Austrian citizens move to another EU country (easily done) or claim asylum in other countries, due to human rights violations in Austria?

It's all been said by PPs. Outrageous and scary that the authorities are emboldened to do this.

I will never understand those defending such a disproportionate action - that's as frightening as the mandate itself.

Colin56

So you have been participating in life, just support a totalitarian policy then.

@userperuser

leafyygreens

Please read the posters original comment I was referring to.

The poster previously claimed that they couldn’t participate in life unless everyone was vaccinated, your response is exactly the point I was making.

@userperuser If you are referring to me I did not say that.

@ancientgran

So stop making silly comparisons between covid and a disease with a CFR > 10 times higher. And, as a pp also pointed out, proof of vaccination against yellow fever isn’t required by citizens to go to shop/restaurant cinema. It’s ridiculous to bring it up in this discussion

The point is that there can be laws introduced, and enforced, about vaccination.

You live in a world where you are safe from many infectious diseases because previous generations were vaccinated. Unless you are as old as me you won't remember the horrors of polio, or the queues for small pox jabs when there were outbreaks. You might never have seen your child struggling to breathe when they have whooping cough, or dangerously ill with measles.

Vaccinations have made your life much safer but you take that for granted.

@ancientgran is correct. People have the luxury of healthcare, preventable disease, vaccines but yet they somehow infringe on their right to being their own special selves.

If people would think of others we would be far further on with mitigating against this disease.

@userperuser

Colin56

So you have been participating in life, just support a totalitarian policy then.

Strange logic y'got there. Id just like my local hospital not to be running at 130% capacity because some people watched a you tube film on Bill Gates etc. Just get vaxxed and save the stupid stuff for yourself.

@chloworm

I apologise if someone has already mentioned this, but I wonder if some Austrian citizens move to another EU country (easily done) or claim asylum in other countries, due to human rights violations in Austria?

The hyperbole by some posters on this thread! And what countries will those be? Perhaps Poland or Hungary, where vaccine rates are even lower? But their human rights track record isn't exactly great either.

You did say that at 13:56 Colin56

Colin56

The NHS has been running at 130% for many years.

I'm from Austria and the threat of prison time is wildly out of context. Every court verdict involving a monetary fine in the Austrian justice system needs to have an equivalent of "prison time". I've had a traffic ticket that included "X hours withdrawal of freedom" in the small print. I've also had a minor bureaucratic fine regarding forgetting to update some details on a government website within the required time frame that resulted in "€36 or 4 hours prison time". I'm not even sure you are allowed to actually sit out the time instead of paying the fine, I think it's some kind of bizarre archaic formality. There's no chance they are actually putting anyone in jail for not getting vaccinated, in the same way nobody goes to prison because you got a speeding ticket.

Though having said that, I'm pretty surprised they went from half-arsed regulations to a vaccine mandate within weeks.

@ichundich I don’t know, any country that hasn’t mandated compulsory COVID vaccines? If I lived in Austria (and therefore could move easily to another EU country) I might well consider it, whether I’d been vaccinated or not. It’s pretty easy to move within the EU. It’s a possibility for sure.

@userperuser

Colin56

The NHS has been running at 130% for many years.

@userperuser Im not in the UK thankfully. The UK has just been left in freefall by your Govt both on Brexit and Covid and all you can do is argue about flaky rights to not be vaccinated?? Total abdication of care to citizens and you accept that and argue over a vaccine....

Colin56

You’re not even in the UK, I’ve noticed a lot of the posters in favour of totalitarian policies are not.

@userperuser

Colin56

You’re not even in the UK, I’ve noticed a lot of the posters in favour of totalitarian policies are not.

I think you have been so badly let down and gaslit by your Govt that you cannot see commonsense any longer. Nothing totalitarian about commonsense and expecting a working society.