Vaccinations to made a legal requirement in Austria from Feb 2022

[littlelordfuckleroy]

Days after Austria imposed a lockdown on the unvaccinated, it has announced a full national Covid-19 lockdown starting on Monday.

Chancellor Alexander Schallenberg said it would last at least 10 days and there would be a legal requirement to get vaccinated from 1 February 2022.

Jesus. I'm shocked by that. I'm not an antivaxxer but I still very concerned that a country could make any vaccine a legal requirement! I feel it's a step too far.

I'm not even especially talking about the vaccine itself - although, going on his history, who would have put it past Hitler to secretly come up with two different vaccines and forced everybody to take 'the vaccine', without telling them that most people had safe 'vaccine a' (or just a placebo) but those in his despised communities received deadly 'vaccine b'?

You think half the population are being forced in taking "vaccine B"? If you don't why bring it into the thread?

The fact remains, Hitler would've denied vaccination & the protection it confers to the groups he persecuted during Nazi Germany. I find these comparisons incredibly offensive.

2 jabs not Jans

The fact is that, once you have it enshrined in law and people become habituated to having to have mandatory vaccines on a regular basis, you only need one tyrannical powerful person to get in charge of what goes in the vaccine and you're at their mercy. Supposing this had already been established law in Austria/Germany, with everybody having mandatory beneficial/safe vaccines, and then Hitler took the reins and decided to make a few 'changes'.

Imagine if Harold Shipman - once a very respected and long-standing senior in his profession - worked his way up to Health Minister or Chief Scientist or whoever would have the final say. It's amazing what power and money will allow you to get away with - a certain, recently-deceased Mr D.R. in the USA could have shown you a lot about that.

What I'm saying here has nothing to do with the actual policy you're debating. It has to do with your ease and comfort in using the extermination of a minority group to make that political point. (I'm assuming you mean Star of David, btw, not Star of Alexander. Let's make a rule that you can't appropriate the Holocaust if you don't know basic terminology.)

As a corollary to that it is important that Nazism is not appropriated as the definition of fascism. The final solution was particular to Nazism and was not a feature of other fascist regimes in Argentina, Spain and Italy (although Mussolini colluded with Hitler).

Fascist regimes often start from the same slow beginnings, rescinding rights by stealth.

If you had alleged to Germans in 1933 that their referendums, the merging of Chancellor and President, would lead to the final solution, they would have been every bit as offended as you are now.

Please stop the hitler chat

Wow that's unbelievable!

Yeah, unbelievable is the exact word that came to my mind too 😆

I see people are still going on about Hitler and likening a compulsory vaccine to the 1930ies!

Fascism and tyranny can arise at any time - Hitler was unusual in how quickly he brought it in, but you can never rest on your laurels when high up people suggest/introduce outrageous measures.

Absolutely shocking.

I do think Tatiana's last post makes an excellent point re fascism in general but I agree that comparisons to Hitler and the Final Solution are not helpful.

So what comes next? Compulsory flu vaccine? This is truly frightening and I say that as someone who has had both jabs and am waiting for the booster.

Some of those conspiracy theories don't seem so far fetched now.

@WeBuiltThisBuffetOnSausageRoll

The fact is that, once you have it enshrined in law and people become habituated to having to have mandatory vaccines on a regular basis, you only need one tyrannical powerful person to get in charge of what goes in the vaccine and you're at their mercy. Supposing this had already been established law in Austria/Germany, with everybody having mandatory beneficial/safe vaccines, and then Hitler took the reins and decided to make a few 'changes'.

Imagine if Harold Shipman - once a very respected and long-standing senior in his profession - worked his way up to Health Minister or Chief Scientist or whoever would have the final say. It's amazing what power and money will allow you to get away with - a certain, recently-deceased Mr D.R. in the USA could have shown you a lot about that.

This is very possible.

@MaxNormal

I do think Tatiana's last post makes an excellent point re fascism in general but I agree that comparisons to Hitler and the Final Solution are not helpful.

Agree

Last time I looked, there was a 7% difference between those one jabbed & twice jabbed.

I wonder if some of that 7% may have experience undesirable side effects after their first jab like me?

Would be interesting what Austria intend to do in such cases, especially where ‘no cause’ is found. Ha.

I see Austria only got round to banning Smoking in public places in 2019. Consistent in their approach to public health then, eh?

Wow that's unbelievable!

Isn't it just

@colin56
Wow, you personally knew all the small number of cases of side effects the the UK. Some circle you have.
Have a look in an ICU and see the people there. Just get vaccinated so this can stop. Thanks.

That's my point, I don't have a big circle of friends, these are genuine, I am one of them. I am vaccinated, and very frightened about what is happening to me and to others. My case isn't reported, I've yellow carded it. The person I know who died, their case isn't in the press. Why not?
In the words of the neurologist 'my colleagues and I just don't know'. WTAF? The specialists don't know. Yet, you and others think it is ok to mandate people should have an unproven experimental vaccine injected into them when the experts 'don't know' why it is causing these side effects.

You think half the population are being forced in taking "vaccine B"? hmm If you don't why bring it into the thread?

You seem to be reading what I'm not saying into what I am saying.

I'm going to bow out now, as OP has requested people stop mentioning probably the most famous example in history of a tyrant - and I don't want to unintentionally offend anybody by drawing what I see as quite logical comparisons - in principle and potential, if not in scale.

All I will say is that tyranny is not limited to one person, place or time.

I'll bow out of the thread now, as like I said I'm one of the people who tried to do the right thing by getting vaccinated, and who was supportive of the vaccine from the outset. I don't wish to be attacked for reporting my experiences.

These are unprecedented times- personal freedoms go out the window as far as I am concerned

Frightening

You really do have to wonder what it'll take before some say "enough" ...

@OutwiththeOutCrowd

Next step, people will be labelled 'clean' and 'unclean' with the 'unclean' forced to wear a badge indicating their status.

I seem to have caused some consternation with this post. I was not thinking only about Nazi Germany but would like to clarify my position on that particular example.

The Holocaust should never be forgotten. One of the many reasons for this is because, as the saying goes, those who forget history are destined to repeat it. It is precisely to honour the countless Jews whose lives were so brutally taken that societies round the world remember the event and, in remembering, remain vigilant for similar patterns of oppression and ostracism arising, be they big or small.

One of the important aspects to remember is how it all started in Nazi Germany. Circumstances were difficult and the government incited the populace to scapegoat and blame the Jewish people. The situation unravelled incrementally from there.

Now, in this pandemic, some governments round the world are inviting people to look at their unvaccinated neighbours and think, ‘You are to blame and deserve to be punished!’ This seems dangerous to encourage, even if there is no suggestion that events would ever degenerate as catastrophically as they did in Nazi Germany.

I've asked a few posters now who agree with this where they would draw the line.

Anyone?

Also, if you agree with legally required vaccinations, just the covid vaccine or all vaccines?

@WeBuiltThisBuffetOnSausageRoll

I see people are still going on about Hitler and likening a compulsory vaccine to the 1930ies!

Fascism and tyranny can arise at any time - Hitler was unusual in how quickly he brought it in, but you can never rest on your laurels when high up people suggest/introduce outrageous measures.

Perhaps then people should look a little bit closer to home - at the bunch of corrupt xenophobes currently governing this country and a press that calls judges "enemies of the people" for ruling that the consent of parliament was required to give notice of Brexit. The Britain is a far cry from the democratic, free society it once used to be.

I’m shocked that this has happened. My conspiracy theory friend isn’t. She was going on about mandatory vaccines and passports before there was even a vaccine. I told her she was being ridiculous. How did they know??

You’re the only person I’ve ever seen ask this question.

I asked my “conspiracy theorist” friend that question and he told me to look at the World Economic Forum. It’s right there under the guise of The Great Reset. They were quite clear this was going to happen.Most people didn’t bat an eye when the uk declared they were going to launch it. Build back better and all that.

Many people have raised concerns about several aspects of this “build back better” and the WEF covid policy’s only to be sneered at and labelled a conspiracy theorist.

The whole thing is rotten to the core. We should have asked serious questions when the producer of these vaccines donated millions of pounds to the Medicines and Healthcare Regulatory Authority who ultimately approved these vaccines. We should ask why hundreds of thousands were donated to the bbc and all the uk major news agency’s.
None of these agency’s are charity’s. There’s a fine line between a donation and a bribe. There is no longer any news, just the WEF endless propaganda.

Folk who are called conspiracy theorist are the people who can be arsed to take the time to read carefully the endless policy’s on gov.uk and question them. These are the same people who didn’t vaccinate their children because they knew that despite what Boris was telling us they were never approved.

And how many were vaccine damaged? You don’t know

These are unprecedented times- personal freedoms go out the window as far as I am concerned

How far would you go?

*The Britain of today