Vaccinations to made a legal requirement in Austria from Feb 2022

[littlelordfuckleroy]

Days after Austria imposed a lockdown on the unvaccinated, it has announced a full national Covid-19 lockdown starting on Monday.

Chancellor Alexander Schallenberg said it would last at least 10 days and there would be a legal requirement to get vaccinated from 1 February 2022.

Jesus. I'm shocked by that. I'm not an antivaxxer but I still very concerned that a country could make any vaccine a legal requirement! I feel it's a step too far.

[quote BenjiMcSchmenzie]@ichundich I’m as entitled to my opinion as you are. I don’t find the OP offensive / anti-Semitic. She’s been very measured and calm imo. I’m sorry you find some of the posts on this thread offensive - might be better for your blood pressure if you step away [/quote]
The OP wasn't the one being racist and anti-Semitic tbf.
Those posters have been deleted.

@littlelordfuckleroy

Thank god for the two responses that agree with me. I was starting to wonder.

It is a massive step for Austria. Genuinely shocking.

i agree its shocking , it shows the utter control that the state is now imposing on people , they are literally locking up unvaccinated people , the sad thing is there are going to be loads of hysterics about covid that agree with it and would quite happily see it done in the uk

iv had the vaccine , my 13 year old doesnt want it and i refuse to force or coerce her to , its her choice , i really think when the state is literally forcing people to have a vaccine its gone way too far .
i really hope they arent able to continue with this

@Nancydrawn

The last think you said was that you apologized for causing "some offence" and that "offence is entirely subjective," so I suppose I thought your apologize was begrudging, halfhearted, and continued to reflect a lack of understanding of why people found your comparisons so profoundly unacceptable.

What I'm saying here has nothing to do with the actual policy you're debating. It has to do with your ease and comfort in using the extermination of a minority group to make that political point. (I'm assuming you mean Star of David, btw, not Star of Alexander. Let's make a rule that you can't appropriate the Holocaust if you don't know basic terminology.)

Alexander is the name of the Austrian chancellor.

My comment was glib, and I apologise.

Statistically, the chances of those 9 people having died of COVID are lower than minuscule.

The chances of of an individual dying due to the vaccine were even lower - statistically it made sense for them to have had made that decision. I am not someone in that position, so am not justified in commenting, but the family of one man who died have spoken out on exactly this

A pharmacist whose brother died after having the AstraZeneca vaccine has told the BBC she still feels strongly that people should continue have their jabs.

She said he was "extraordinarily unlucky" and that "more lives will be saved by people having the vaccine than not."

www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/health-56673612

@Nancydrawn

The last think you said was that you apologized for causing "some offence" and that "offence is entirely subjective," so I suppose I thought your apologize was begrudging, halfhearted, and continued to reflect a lack of understanding of why people found your comparisons so profoundly unacceptable.

What I'm saying here has nothing to do with the actual policy you're debating. It has to do with your ease and comfort in using the extermination of a minority group to make that political point. (I'm assuming you mean Star of David, btw, not Star of Alexander. Let's make a rule that you can't appropriate the Holocaust if you don't know basic terminology.)

Also, I said offence was subjective in relation to Benji not taking offence to what I said but getting told off for not taking offence

Another fascist here then, though as I am generally very left wing I don't accept that

I was always staunchly left wing. I started being troubled by some of the views around the gender debate, but thanks to covid and the prevailing leftist viewpoint they have lost me entirely.

Left is the new right!

Alexander is the name of the Austrian chancellor. My comment was glib, and I apologise.

Thank you. I genuinely appreciate it.

Great idea, we should do the same.

Having made this law, of which Hitler would undoubtedly have been very proud, if they don't now remove and ceremoniously smash the large stone in Braunau am Inn bearing the (apparently empty) inscription 'For freedom, peace and democracy: never again fascism'

This makes no sense @WeBuiltThisBuffetOnSausageRoll

If anything Hitler would've denied vaccination & the protection it confers to the groups he persecuted during Nazi Germany. What better way to kill off people than prevent them from accessing vaccines during a pandemic.

[quote BenjiMcSchmenzie]@ichundich I’m as entitled to my opinion as you are. I don’t find the OP offensive / anti-Semitic. She’s been very measured and calm imo. I’m sorry you find some of the posts on this thread offensive - might be better for your blood pressure if you step away [/quote]
Thanks for your concern, but my health is fine (thanks to the Covid vaccine, among other things).

I get this and on first glance I totally agree. I guess I just also wonder whether you could consider that you impinge on someone's bodily autonomy when you arguably expose them to a greater risk of contracting a potentially deadly disease? Is denial of bodily autonomy by omission not quite close to denial by commission? That's why I see this as uncomfortable complicated.

As a sort of analogy, what if you could state on a percentage basis that a member of any given community (sex, age, class, background, history etc.) was reasonably likely to hurt or kill somebody, just be dint of being a member of that 'class' sharing those characteristics?

Would you say that the state had a right to lock them up in advance, to avoid exposing innocent people (as they themselves, indeed, currently are) to what they might do to them, based on statistics?

I know people will call me crazy for juxtaposing locking people up with forcing them to have a vaccine (which has, don't forget, killed at least 9 people) against their will - but if you're going to deny people their basic liberties and bodily autonomy anyway, who is to say where the line should be drawn?

@workshy44

GOOD Before covid the most infectious disease known to man was measles and you needed 1 in 18 not to be vaccinated for herd immunity. Covid is infinitely more infectious and unless people get vaccinated it will NEVER end. There are some people who can't be vaccinated for medical reasons so they take up the tiny% who don't require vaccination for herd immunity it is beyond selfish. These are unprecedented times- personal freedoms go out the window as far as I am concerned.

Saved me typing a post there. Cant happen fast enough for me. Get vaccinated or dont participate. My freedom to participate in life is because I choose to get vaccinated. If you want to stay selfish then stay at home.

What better way to kill off people than prevent them from accessing vaccines during a pandemic

Given the IFR of covid, its one of the least efficient ways I can imagine.

Colin56

Why can’t you participate in life without 100% vaccination?

You do understand that less risk isn’t no risk right?

This vaccine hasn't undergone the necessary testing to be proven to be safe in the long term. We have no idea of the long term implications. In making it compulsory are the Australian government accepting liability for future compensation claims?

I am an introvert with a relatively small social circle. However, I know first hand:

A man in his 50s, dead within 24 hours of the vaccine from blood clots and associated heart attack.

A woman in her 40s, 8 weeks of migraine headaches, and visual disturbance, sickness and fainting episodes. She is still suffering to a lesser extent from these symptoms.

A woman in her 30s, hand went black after the vaccine. Refused a second vaccine.

A man in his 70s, hand went black after the first vaccine, severe swelling in legs and joints after the second. Is now housebound. Was previously very active and a member of various sports clubs.

A woman in her 30s, heavy continuous period for weeks since vaccination. This is not showing any signs of stopping.

Several women - very prominent swollen vein in the neck, and general feeling of being unwell. Long term problem.

Neurologist. - is working all hours inundated with patients suffering from prolonged headache and eye problems.

It horrifies me that a vaccine that is NOT proven to be safe in the longer term is being made compulsory for adults. It frightens me that countries are looking to vaccinate younger and younger children when we have no idea of potential long term consequences.

I see again and again people citing the fact that other vaccines are necessary for travel. Those vaccines are not in the experimental phase, and travel is a choice. The situation is not comparable.

@sdfgta15

This vaccine hasn't undergone the necessary testing to be proven to be safe in the long term. We have no idea of the long term implications. In making it compulsory are the Australian government accepting liability for future compensation claims?

I am an introvert with a relatively small social circle. However, I know first hand:

A man in his 50s, dead within 24 hours of the vaccine from blood clots and associated heart attack.

A woman in her 40s, 8 weeks of migraine headaches, and visual disturbance, sickness and fainting episodes. She is still suffering to a lesser extent from these symptoms.

A woman in her 30s, hand went black after the vaccine. Refused a second vaccine.

A man in his 70s, hand went black after the first vaccine, severe swelling in legs and joints after the second. Is now housebound. Was previously very active and a member of various sports clubs.

A woman in her 30s, heavy continuous period for weeks since vaccination. This is not showing any signs of stopping.

Several women - very prominent swollen vein in the neck, and general feeling of being unwell. Long term problem.

Neurologist. - is working all hours inundated with patients suffering from prolonged headache and eye problems.

It horrifies me that a vaccine that is NOT proven to be safe in the longer term is being made compulsory for adults. It frightens me that countries are looking to vaccinate younger and younger children when we have no idea of potential long term consequences.

I see again and again people citing the fact that other vaccines are necessary for travel. Those vaccines are not in the experimental phase, and travel is a choice. The situation is not comparable.

Wow that's unbelievable!

I'm pro-vaccination, have been vaccinated and am eagerly awaiting booster. But, I really do think this is a worrying development, especially in a European, democratic country (most if not all of the countries mentioned earlier are somewhat more authoritarian). Bad laws which are put in place for good reasons are still bad laws - especially because of the precedent that they then set. And this proposal will give every anti-vax/conspiracy theorist a lot of ammunition, which isn't really going to help - we'll just end up getting more and more polarised.

The problem is so many of us have gone along with all of these increasingly tighter control measures with apathy - we've let it happen. Clearly not just in this country.

People have got to start putting their foot down and saying No.

Otherwise the situation is going to get a lot worse. This is only the start of it.

Having made this law, of which Hitler would undoubtedly have been very proud, if they don't now remove and ceremoniously smash the large stone in Braunau am Inn bearing the (apparently empty) inscription 'For freedom, peace and democracy: never again fascism'

This makes no sense @WeBuiltThisBuffetOnSausageRoll**

If anything Hitler would've denied vaccination & the protection it confers to the groups he persecuted during Nazi Germany. What better way to kill off people than prevent them from accessing vaccines during a pandemic.

I'm not even especially talking about the vaccine itself - although, going on his history, who would have put it past Hitler to secretly come up with two different vaccines and forced everybody to take 'the vaccine', without telling them that most people had safe 'vaccine a' (or just a placebo) but those in his despised communities received deadly 'vaccine b'?

However, I'm mainly talking about the principle of the state deciding what they want you to do with your body and passing laws making it illegal for you to object. I think that would have fitted in quite well with his playbook, don't you?

@sdfgta15

This vaccine hasn't undergone the necessary testing to be proven to be safe in the long term. We have no idea of the long term implications. In making it compulsory are the Australian government accepting liability for future compensation claims?

I am an introvert with a relatively small social circle. However, I know first hand:

A man in his 50s, dead within 24 hours of the vaccine from blood clots and associated heart attack.

A woman in her 40s, 8 weeks of migraine headaches, and visual disturbance, sickness and fainting episodes. She is still suffering to a lesser extent from these symptoms.

A woman in her 30s, hand went black after the vaccine. Refused a second vaccine.

A man in his 70s, hand went black after the first vaccine, severe swelling in legs and joints after the second. Is now housebound. Was previously very active and a member of various sports clubs.

A woman in her 30s, heavy continuous period for weeks since vaccination. This is not showing any signs of stopping.

Several women - very prominent swollen vein in the neck, and general feeling of being unwell. Long term problem.

Neurologist. - is working all hours inundated with patients suffering from prolonged headache and eye problems.

It horrifies me that a vaccine that is NOT proven to be safe in the longer term is being made compulsory for adults. It frightens me that countries are looking to vaccinate younger and younger children when we have no idea of potential long term consequences.

I see again and again people citing the fact that other vaccines are necessary for travel. Those vaccines are not in the experimental phase, and travel is a choice. The situation is not comparable.

Wow, you personally knew all the small number of cases of side effects the the UK. Some circle you have. Have a look in an ICU and see the people there. Just get vaccinated so this can stop. Thanks.

The boosters will no doubt be compulsory too.

I see people are still going on about Hitler and likening a compulsory vaccine to the 1930ies!

www.reuters.com/legal/government/wait-what-fda-wants-55-years-process-foia-request-over-vaccine-data-2021-11-18/

Pfizer being awfully coy with their data as well. 55 years.

I am pro vaccination, have had 2 Jan's plus my booster. But I would be horrified if this was introduced here. It is too much of an intervention into personal autonomy.