I have to have the vaccine or I loose my job

[wingingmumlife]

I am absolutely prepared to get flamed for this but I am really worrying.

I am 22 year years old, healthy and unvaccinated (by choice).

I am not anti-vax, I have had every single vaccine from being a child to now and my daughter is up to date with all of hers too.

I work in dentistry and myself and 4 other colleagues have been told we have to be fully vaccinated by April 2022 otherwise, we lose our jobs.

I just can't believe it has come to this. I feel like my human rights have been taken away. I'm not a conspiracy theorist and I am a big believer in science but as a genuine question ... Can someone please tell me why this vaccine is being pushed so much to the point where soon we probably won't be able to even go into a restaurant without having this vaccine?

I have to wear AGP PPE every single day for every single patient but this still isn't enough?

I test myself every single day, but this still isn't enough?

Can someone please help it make sense to me? That is a genuine question.

Im not looking for an argument and I'm not wanting anyone to tell me "how stupid I am" I just want this to make sense.

For anyone wondering why I haven't had the vaccine - the main reason being, I have severe health anxiety, ironic I know since most would think I'd jump for the vaccine, but at the moment I'm more scared of this vaccine then I am of catching Covid itself.

I just feel sick to my stomach at the thought of not having a job unless I have this vaccine, it really doesn't sit well with me but everyone on here seems to be supporting it?

The rubella comparison is just silly though we aren’t in a rubella pandemic. Rubella isn’t an issue because the majority are VACCINATED

I understand what you’re saying, but PPE and testing will soon be the employers responsibility and more than likely the cost will be claimed back from the employee if they aren’t vaccinated - assuming you still have a job. I would imagine work would be difficult if it’s a requirement for employment.

I’m not saying it’s right but the cost of the vaccine V PPE and testing is quite high.

The LFT are £5 each PEE no idea but it adds up.

All the vaccination discussion aside, do you think your life would be better without the health anxiety?

People overcome addictions, anxiety, manage depression so that they live a less limited life. How would your life be if you would take charge of this anxiety?

www.health.harvard.edu/mind-and-mood/always-worried-about-your-health-you-may-be-dealing-with-health-anxiety-disorder

Harvard says it’s ‘highly treatable’ just my 2p, and I’ve struggled, faced and overcome plenty of MH issues.

I have health anxiety, too, specifically caused by lies from the medical profession, so I get you! I currently have botulism from Botox which people say "can't happen" although the drug maker itself says it can and does happen (and they have been sued). I've been sick over 3 years.

But, I still got the COVID vaccine because of a job mandate.

I had a full blown anxiety attack before Shot #1, but post-shot was fine. I had no anxiety from Shot #2.

Good luck whatever you decide.
Everyone is just rolling the dice on every decision.

@Phobiaphobic

I'm also baffled as to why so many people who've had all the vaccines are so scared of encountering people who haven't - and demanding that they should be forced to have it too (or otherwise have basic rights/life-choices/facilities/amenities taken away from them).

IKR? We've devolved into a kind of double-think which goes 'the vaccine prevents serious illness, but if you're not vaccinated, you could make me, a vaccinated person, seriously ill.' It defies all logic.

Oh, oh! I know the answer to this one! Breaking news! Oh no it’s not…

Vaccines aren’t perfect. But in this case they REDUCE the chance of transmission, and the severity of illness. So that means you’re less likely to get it from a vaccinated person and less likely to get it if you are vaccinated and also less ill if you do get it when vaccinated. Great news! If you have another illness you might also have a chance of getting hospital treatment if they’re not jammed up with Covid patients. But you know, why worry about facts.

[quote Whywonttheyletmeusemyusername]@Lostinacloud is bang on. Probably the most sensible comment I've read on here in a long time. I am not vaxxed, neither are my staff, and I certainly won't be forcing it on any one of them. I'm not a hypocrite. If this madness carries on, feel free to PM me for work. If I can help, I will[/quote]
Plus side, at least you’re keeping it all in one spot.

I'm surprised they're letting you leave it until next spring. In the US dental office staff were at the front of the queue along with hospital staff.

Your practice supports this for patient safety but also because they want you working, not out sick or isolating. Try to push through it and get the jab, but if you can't there are lots of jobs available.

I have supported peoples right not to have the vaccine if they choose not to but I have to say I think in healthcare professions...just get it done.

There's a strong precedent for it - you have to vaccinated for various transmissible diseases and viruses to even read subjects like medicine at university so I don't see the problem with this.

Can you try seeing it another way?

Fact, you have health anxiety. There are two possible waysHT is about to change your life. You can choose which; which puts you in charge and in control of your HT.

New idea; " I am in control. I decide, "

Here's the choice;

A) Refuse vaccine; HT steals your chosen career and livelihood

B) Have vaccine; accepting that yes, that will be a very tough day with high stress. But hell, that's nothing new, you live with and survive HT all the time. You can go for it, keep your career, income, independence. This time, just for once, HT loses and you win.

The testing every day is bollocks. I’ve lost track of the number of people I KNOW have had negative lateral flows and positive PCRs.

If you have anxiety, I don’t see how losing your job and income is going to make you feel better? I just don’t understand not getting the vaccine, but I guess you live with the consequences of your decisions

@XenoBitch

YANBU. But MN in general will judge you anyway for not being vaccinated and if it is for a health anxiety reasons, you will be told to "get a grip". I feel sad to say that there will probably be no empathy for your situation here. It has happened to me. I feel so alone for it. I don't know what we can do

And unfortunately you were right.

If it helps OP... length of time for vaccine to ‘be around’ matters less that number of people who have had the vaccine. Billions of vaccines have been administered now. Instances of severe side effects are insignificant.

Longer term - hard to know. But! Modelling based on similar vaccines indicate much less risk of poor long term effects than long Covid.

Honestly op! You should fear getting Covid. The stuff I ve read on the potential neurological effects of even a mild case are frightening.

You don’t seem stupid - so inform yourself.

I don’t think anyone should be forced to have a vaccine. BUT I don’t think anyone should be forced (by not being told) to attend a dental appointment with an unvaccinated nurse. Also I don’t think any dentist should be forced to employ an unvaccinated nurse.

Excellent posts @User3443525643.

OP, please read what she says and think about it carefully. Though to be honest it sounds like working in healthcare is not right for you anyway. How do you cope with helping the dentist do x rays when you are so afraid of them yourself? Do you worry that the patient in the chair is going to die?

And unfortunately you were right

Yep, and I hate that so much. I feel so done with all this now. Really done.

For those of you who have severe health anxiety and so can’t have the vaccine how would you cope if you got really ill with COVID and had to go to hospital? How would you cope with Long COVID?

@toomuchlaundry

For those of you who have severe health anxiety and so can’t have the vaccine how would you cope if you got really ill with COVID and had to go to hospital? How would you cope with Long COVID?

That is not how anxiety works.

Honestly op! You should fear getting Covid. The stuff I ve read on the potential neurological effects of even a mild case are frightening

That’s not helpful as the vaccine doesn’t prevent infection it just ‘reduces’ the chance of infection so the vaccinated are still at risk from the ‘neurological effects’ of covid.

@toomuchlaundry badly. But you are trying to rationalise the anxiety when anxiety isn’t rational

[quote wingingmumlife]@ChildrenGrowingUpTooFast no one is forcing me to have the vaccine?

Tell me then, when is this going to end? I take it you've had both vaccines? I'm sure it was on the news the other day that those who have had both vaccines will be classed as unvaccinated until they've had their booster jab? Then what? That expires so you have to have another, then another, then another... You get my point.

You say no one is forcing me to have the vaccine but I already can't go to certain places unless I've had it. Look at Dublin, Ireland, you can't do anything over there unless you've had both vaccines. Want to visit a restaurant? Have to have had both vaccines. Want to visit a cinema? Have to have had both vaccines? Want to go into a supermarket? Have to have had both vaccines. That will happen here, then try and tell me no one is forcing me to have the vaccine. Come off it, seriously.

I have worked all through the pandemic from the very start, through the peak, with no vaccine and now I'm being told I will loose my job and have to choose between putting food on the table for me and my daughter or I can have the vaccine and this will all go away, except it won't. I'm pretty sure you would have been happy to have received medical care by someone unvaccinated last year right? But any how, you've had your vaccine, if you trust it so much then why you so bothered if I've had it or not? It protects you right? I'm putting myself at risk by choosing not to have the vaccine. I've chose not to have the vaccine due to my health anxiety. That's my choice. It should be MY choice.

For a virus with a high survival rate (especially for people my age) we should be able to make that choice wether or not we want to have it. [/quote]
It’s not about your good health. It’s about the fact that once vaccinated you are 66% less likely to pass the virus on.

We all have a duty to have the vaccination.

XenoBitch

I’ve suffered crippling anxiety for years and the comments on this thread are downright ignorant.

@userperuser

XenoBitch

I’ve suffered crippling anxiety for years and the comments on this thread are downright ignorant.

Yep, they are. Anxiety is not a choice, it is not something you can just switch off. And it is not something that other people can tell you how to react to either.

I feel very sorry for anyone with health anxiety over the last (nearly) 2 years.. it must be hellish. But.. it can be mediated, and medicated.
CBT does work. Meds do help (I have a son with highly medicated anxiety and it, with a good therapist, has transformed his quality of life)

But I've also watched my DD1, a frontline doctor, and a friend, an ITU nurse, watch person after person die, suffocate to death.and seen the affects it has had on them and their fellow medics. Fuck me they have gone through hell and back trying to keep people alive.

We don't have smallpox anymore. Why? Vaccines. Measles generally doesn't kill, Polio doesn't leave kids in an iron lung (in the developed world at least) ..because.. vaccines. No the vaccine doesn't prevent you getting it, but it does make it a lot less likely you'll die from it, and its speedy arrival is due to the huge funds thrown at the biggest problem the world has faced in centuries.

I am not a fan of a totalitarian state. But as someone myself working in a vulnerable community job, I accept that vaccination is the only sensible option at this point.

I'm also currently on my last day of isolation. I've had both jabs and my booster and still caught covid. But , while ill. I've just been that.. ill. I suspect that if I had caught it in feb 2020 I'd be dead.

It may not be a perfect choice, but unless you want to be limited in what job you do, where you go, if you ever want a holiday abroad, see a concert... then vaccination is the only real option.

But @XenoBitch you post that you have severe needle/medical phobia. A friend’s daughter has Long COVID. She has had to have numerous medical appointments including many blood tests. So how would you cope with that?

@wingingmumlife

I am absolutely prepared to get flamed for this but I am really worrying.

I am 22 year years old, healthy and unvaccinated (by choice).

I am not anti-vax, I have had every single vaccine from being a child to now and my daughter is up to date with all of hers too.

I work in dentistry and myself and 4 other colleagues have been told we have to be fully vaccinated by April 2022 otherwise, we lose our jobs.

I just can't believe it has come to this. I feel like my human rights have been taken away. I'm not a conspiracy theorist and I am a big believer in science but as a genuine question ... Can someone please tell me why this vaccine is being pushed so much to the point where soon we probably won't be able to even go into a restaurant without having this vaccine?

I have to wear AGP PPE every single day for every single patient but this still isn't enough?

I test myself every single day, but this still isn't enough?

Can someone please help it make sense to me? That is a genuine question.

Im not looking for an argument and I'm not wanting anyone to tell me "how stupid I am" I just want this to make sense.

For anyone wondering why I haven't had the vaccine - the main reason being, I have severe health anxiety, ironic I know since most would think I'd jump for the vaccine, but at the moment I'm more scared of this vaccine then I am of catching Covid itself.

I just feel sick to my stomach at the thought of not having a job unless I have this vaccine, it really doesn't sit well with me but everyone on here seems to be supporting it?

If you aren't anti vax why not just have it? You are putting vulnerable people at risk if not

@toomuchlaundry

But *@XenoBitch* you post that you have severe needle/medical phobia. A friend’s daughter has Long COVID. She has had to have numerous medical appointments including many blood tests. So how would you cope with that?

Why do you keep doing that? You clearly do not have a clue what you are talking about.