I have to have the vaccine or I loose my job

[wingingmumlife]

I am absolutely prepared to get flamed for this but I am really worrying.

I am 22 year years old, healthy and unvaccinated (by choice).

I am not anti-vax, I have had every single vaccine from being a child to now and my daughter is up to date with all of hers too.

I work in dentistry and myself and 4 other colleagues have been told we have to be fully vaccinated by April 2022 otherwise, we lose our jobs.

I just can't believe it has come to this. I feel like my human rights have been taken away. I'm not a conspiracy theorist and I am a big believer in science but as a genuine question ... Can someone please tell me why this vaccine is being pushed so much to the point where soon we probably won't be able to even go into a restaurant without having this vaccine?

I have to wear AGP PPE every single day for every single patient but this still isn't enough?

I test myself every single day, but this still isn't enough?

Can someone please help it make sense to me? That is a genuine question.

Im not looking for an argument and I'm not wanting anyone to tell me "how stupid I am" I just want this to make sense.

For anyone wondering why I haven't had the vaccine - the main reason being, I have severe health anxiety, ironic I know since most would think I'd jump for the vaccine, but at the moment I'm more scared of this vaccine then I am of catching Covid itself.

I just feel sick to my stomach at the thought of not having a job unless I have this vaccine, it really doesn't sit well with me but everyone on here seems to be supporting it?

It's over in a second and could save not only your life but others too.

I don't blame you for wanting to preserve your right to medical and bodily autonomy and not be punished by losing your job if you insist on keeping it.

And you're not stupid - at your age, your risk from Covid is extremely minimal and you are unlikely to benefit very much personally from the jab.

I'm sorry you're being coerced in this way.

Your employer has every right to demand conditions to your employment. It can be you being registered to certain board, keeping your qualifications up to date, drivers license, etc. No one is forcing you to have the vaccine similar to no one is forcing me to keep my qualifications up to date. You can find another job. Fact is our employers want it. In your case, it’s your dental surgery wanting to reassure clients they have all staff vaccinated. In my case it’s to reassure clients we have best practice in security.

I don’t want to go to a hygienist who aren’t vaccinated.

Oh just have the vaccine for God's sake.

I think having the vaccine is about public health, not individual choice. The pandemic has been awful and is still with us. IF the vaccination rates aren't high enough, we could go back into lockdowns

@wingingmumlife

Sorry I hit post too early. Yes the Hep B jab is compulsory for my line of work but that's a vaccine that has been around for years and as PP has said, I knew about that vaccine way before I signed a contract to become a trainee dental nurse.

GMC guidelines do state that healthcare staff should be immunised against relevant communicable diseases

I really appreciate how difficult it is but I can understand the rationale of including this vaccine in those required for those with close patient contact.

Can someone please tell me why this vaccine is being pushed so much to the point where soon we probably won't be able to even go into a restaurant without having this vaccine?

Also feel this is somewhat of an extrapolation from your orginal post...

I completely agree op that it is awful that you are being made to have the vaccine or will lose your job. Surely mandating something is enough to make people not want to do it and is going to have the opposite effect.

Just as an aside though - the way the covid-19 vaccine has been made has been around for ages. I think it would be really good for you to have a look into why it was turned around so quickly etc. As it may put your mind at ease. I don't say this so you can have the vaccine and appease your work place, I just know that having had covid I would do anything to avoid having it again as it really was horrible and me and DH (both fit and healthy) took a while to recover.

I found this podcast on it really helpful

podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/stuff-you-should-know/id278981407?i=1000540512611

I completely understand though that you probably don't want to 'back down' from this.

It’s not unheard of for certain vaccination requirements to be met in order to take part in certain things. It’s for the safety of everyone.

But if you have health anxiety rational points likely won’t change your position.

@GreenLunchBox

I think it will come out that someone or someone's in the government are getting paid per vaccine given. Otherwise it doesn't make sense. There's huge money to be made. So they're jabbing people when there's no clinical need

I am completely gobsmacked that people actually believe this.

What on earth had happened to us?! Is it the trauma of lockdown making people so paranoid?

I think you should do what’s right for you (not have the vaccine) and accept that your employer will do what’s right for their business (keep patients as safe as possible by ensuring all staff are vaccinated).

Every choice we make has a consequence.

@Mybalconyiscracking

Oh just have the vaccine and stop whinging, what makes you so bloody special?

I try and see other people's point of view, but underneath this is what I am thinking.

And now that we all know it doesn’t stop spread (just to please the regulars on here - maybe only slightly reduces spread) I really can’t understand why the vaccine isn’t available to all who want it and strongly recommended for those who we know are vulnerable to covid but remains a choice for all and certainly not necessary for large parts of the population who are highly unlikely to be severely ill from covid.

@Lostinacloud @wingingmumlife

There will be less transmision and therefore risk to patients in dental surgeries where all staff are vaccinated, in comparison to those where they are not.

It really is that simple.

There is no need for the return of lockdowns. This is another coercion threat used. Gibraltar has a population almost 100% vaccinated and yet their cases are spiking massively. The vaccines are good for protecting the vulnerable and frankly anyone else that wants it for their own peace of mind but it’s becoming more and more evident they make no difference to the seasonal waves of a respiratory virus. They should be a choice for all but with zero penalty for choosing not to have it. This is not a public health, greater good obligation, that simply hasn’t been proven by any country in the world.

Honestly I think all health and teaching staff should have to have vaccine. Seems ridiculous that you wouldnt have it knowing you could get covid and be badly affected or pass it on to someone and kill them. I know you are anxious but get some techniques and get on with it , you might actually cost someone their life by not having it. I know you're in ppe in work but out if work you're not.
I'm suprised you're not more anxious about covid rather than vaccine if you have health anxiety issues.

I find it strange that you suffer health anxiety about the vaccine but not about COVID.

Why wouldn't you just have it? It takes two seconds. You're creating more anxiety for yourself for no reason.

being young and healthy is no bar to catching covid and being quite ill with it

I wonder if in the coming years people will stop kids and babies being vaccinated and there will be more and more outbreaks and or deaths as people are becoming so frightened and there is so much information true or not. The NhS are also being taken away from treating other patients to concentrate on COVID patients some of which could have had the vaccine.

Not sure what would have happened if we all refused to have it or all refused trials or new life saving treatment? Guess a lot more dead.

Maybe it's the isolation thing? Because of you've been in contact with someone with COVID you have to isolate for ten days, whereas you don't if you've been vaccinated?

@ChardonnaysPetDragon

I find it strange that you suffer health anxiety about the vaccine but not about COVID.

That is not how anxiety works. You can't pick and choose how it affects you.

Am fed up of people lacking any mental health awareness around why some people are not getting the vaccine.
Do you think telling them to "get a grip" will actually help?

I was REALLY nervous about the vaccine, I’ve suffered with health anxiety in the past. My friend’s a doctor and has seen covid patients my age die, some otherwise totally healthy.
She asked me if I fancied being intubated and how would my health anxiety be then?
She didn’t mean to be mean, but that really helped me get a sense of perspective.
I’m relieved I have it now, can you talk to a trusted health care professional about all your concerns? It genuinely helped me.

I completely disagree with your stance, but I have to say you've made probably the most well reasoned argument against it that I've seen, taking into account your proximity to patients as well as the PPE and daily testing.

That said, it's as much to protect you as the patients.

Would your health anxiety prevent you from having other tests or treatment if, for example, you had symptoms of something serious?