I have to have the vaccine or I loose my job

[wingingmumlife]

I am absolutely prepared to get flamed for this but I am really worrying.

I am 22 year years old, healthy and unvaccinated (by choice).

I am not anti-vax, I have had every single vaccine from being a child to now and my daughter is up to date with all of hers too.

I work in dentistry and myself and 4 other colleagues have been told we have to be fully vaccinated by April 2022 otherwise, we lose our jobs.

I just can't believe it has come to this. I feel like my human rights have been taken away. I'm not a conspiracy theorist and I am a big believer in science but as a genuine question ... Can someone please tell me why this vaccine is being pushed so much to the point where soon we probably won't be able to even go into a restaurant without having this vaccine?

I have to wear AGP PPE every single day for every single patient but this still isn't enough?

I test myself every single day, but this still isn't enough?

Can someone please help it make sense to me? That is a genuine question.

Im not looking for an argument and I'm not wanting anyone to tell me "how stupid I am" I just want this to make sense.

For anyone wondering why I haven't had the vaccine - the main reason being, I have severe health anxiety, ironic I know since most would think I'd jump for the vaccine, but at the moment I'm more scared of this vaccine then I am of catching Covid itself.

I just feel sick to my stomach at the thought of not having a job unless I have this vaccine, it really doesn't sit well with me but everyone on here seems to be supporting it?

@wingingmumlife

To anyone saying it is not being forced upon us or we are not being coerced into being vaccinated, the definition is right here in black and white.

"The practice of persuading someone to do something by using force or threats"

Is being told to have the vaccine or loose your job not a threat then? Sounds like it to me.

I just want to say as well to those who have been kind and understanding - it's nice to know people like you still exist in the world

I don't think it's a threat any more than saying "if you don't turn up for work, we won't pay you" or "if you walk out of the shop with those shoes without paying for them, we will call the police". There is a difference between consequences and threats.

[quote Naimee87]@wingingmumlife & @shockedNeighbour so appreciate what your posting here. I am baffled by what's happening globally and the impact this is having on families, friends, now workplaces! Shocking! I am not vaccinated and don't plan on getting it either. Masks are still mandatory where i am and i test regularly if needed at work, but there are way too many unknowns and a massive hidden agenda behind all of this which keeps me a million miles from the vaccine. I'm completely in the middle of two sides those who say 'just go get it' and those who are saying 'why the fuck would you go get it' but i feel this should ultimately be my choice. As for statistics, look hard enough and you'll find 'information' to fit whatever scenario you want to believe and makes you feel better. Good luck @wingingmumlife the pressure is huge on you but ultimately this should be your choice. You aren't alone with how you are feeling!! [/quote]
Ah yes, the famous hidden agenda of "we don't want people to die" and "our economy is fucked if we have no workers" and "heavens, the NHS/medicare/whatever gets very expensive if everyone gets hospitalized because they've refused a cheap and safe vaccine."

I cannot understand the desire to see a conspiracy in a straightforward public health measure, I really can't.

Here is a basic statistic for you, hot off the presses from the CDC: even during Delta, unvaccinated people were four times as likely to test positive; twice as likely, once positive, to be hospitalized; and seven times more likely, once positive, to die from Covid.

What a conspiracy! [Again, mumsnet really needs an eyeroll emoji]

I don't think it's a threat any more than saying "if you don't turn up for work, we won't pay you" or "if you walk out of the shop with those shoes without paying for them, we will call the police". There is a difference between consequences and threats.

But neither of your situations are reality because we have hard fought rights. If you don’t turn up for work as a teacher or doctor there’s more likely to be concern than a sacking.
If you walk out without paying for something, a genuine reason is likely to get you off with no consequences.
We don’t accuse or condemn people. Apart from apparently if they don’t get vaccinated.

Many other countries are doing the same thing. I don't see an issue, no ones being forced to have the vaccine. You have a choice , maybe not one you like but c'est la vie.

For me personally, I would have liked to have waited a little longer first before having this vaccine.

The fact they're forcing healthcare workers to have this vaccine makes me and many others want it less.

If I'd have been given more time to rationalise my fears and understand things better, I probably would have had it.

How can someone with health anxiety trust that this vaccine is in mine and others best interest when Gibraltar "the most vaccinated place in the world" has cancelled Christmas due to a surge of Covid cases - what is this vaccine doing if a country that has 100% of its population vaccinated is going backwards and not forwards? Can anyone find me a link online where it discloses how many people in Gibraltar have been hospitalised with Covid? If that number is low - maybe then I will trust it more.

@wingingmumlife

For me personally, I would have liked to have waited a little longer first before having this vaccine.

The fact they're forcing healthcare workers to have this vaccine makes me and many others want it less.

If I'd have been given more time to rationalise my fears and understand things better, I probably would have had it.

How can someone with health anxiety trust that this vaccine is in mine and others best interest when Gibraltar "the most vaccinated place in the world" has cancelled Christmas due to a surge of Covid cases - what is this vaccine doing if a country that has 100% of its population vaccinated is going backwards and not forwards? Can anyone find me a link online where it discloses how many people in Gibraltar have been hospitalised with Covid? If that number is low - maybe then I will trust it more.

No ones being forced to have the vaccine.

@SLH2003 have you read my second to last post? It's in the English dictionary. It is being forced, no one can tell me any different.

No ones being forced to have the vaccine

Be 100% honest here... if it was a case between something like having your pets shot, and keeping your job... would you say you are not being forced and it is a choice?

How long would you wait until you have the vaccine @wingingmumlife?

@XenoBitch

No ones being forced to have the vaccine

Be 100% honest here... if it was a case between something like having your pets shot, and keeping your job... would you say you are not being forced and it is a choice?

Ridiculous whataboutery aside.

No one is being forced to the have the vaccine.
It's not unreasonable to ask healthcare workers to be vaccinated. If they don't want to then they can leave.

*Ridiculous whataboutery aside.

No one is being forced to the have the vaccine.
It's not unreasonable to ask healthcare workers to be vaccinated. If they don't want to then they can leave*

You have only accepted the choice of no jab, no job (if applicable to you) because you are fine with it.
One day, it might be something you are not ok with.

@XenoBitch

*Ridiculous whataboutery aside.

No one is being forced to the have the vaccine.
It's not unreasonable to ask healthcare workers to be vaccinated. If they don't want to then they can leave*

You have only accepted the choice of no jab, no job (if applicable to you) because you are fine with it.
One day, it might be something you are not ok with.

Yes what if, what about blah blah. Thin end of the wedge etc. It's wholly reasonable to ask front line health workers to get vaccinated. For some refusniks they can redeploy away from the front, others may have to find alternative employment. What would you rather happen, just let it rip?

A refusnik? Really?

I am neither:-

1. a person in the former Soviet Union who was refused permission to emigrate, in particular, a Jewish person forbidden to emigrate to Israel.
2. a person who refuses to follow orders or obey the law, especially as a protest

@XenoBitch

A refusnik? Really?

I am neither:-

1. a person in the former Soviet Union who was refused permission to emigrate, in particular, a Jewish person forbidden to emigrate to Israel.
2. a person who refuses to follow orders or obey the law, especially as a protest

Yes yes deary, but you didnt answer my question

This is so bizarre. This vaccine wanes very quickly over a few months, doesn’t stop transmission yet people are losing their jobs if they don’t have it.
There are people who’ve had third boosters who have contracted covid. Good if it protects them but It’s got minimal to do with somebody else’s vaccine status.
I’m really hoping the boosters will do a good job but I wonder where we’ll be in a few months time. Somehow I have a feeling there’ll be a jab#4

If there's another booster available after this one it will presumably be because it's needed. I don't know why it's being mentioned as though it's something sinister.

YANBU.

The more it's pushed on me, the less I want it. I'm 9 months pregnant.

I'm a carer, I've been where you are now. Its Grim! I caved and had the jab...i had no option but to have it
.. or id lose my house and wont be able to feed my kids, they left me no choice.

You've got two choices....leave or fight it, many are but its a long and stressful road.

Of course there will be jab number four - that's no secret is it? There will be at least yearly jabs for many many years. And this is a good thing because it reduces deaths, hospitalizations, transmissions, mutations, lockdowns, inflation and everything else that rampant covid brings with it.

You say you are worried about blood clot with the vaccine , well my friends father had covid and had many blood clots and was in hospital for months . He is still not fully recovered and can’t work . And the risk is if you get covid you could also get blood clots plus other symptoms . So you should look at this mathematically and properly weigh up the risks .

How can someone with health anxiety trust that this vaccine is in mine and others best interest when Gibraltar "the most vaccinated place in the world" has cancelled Christmas due to a surge of Covid cases - what is this vaccine doing if a country that has 100% of its population vaccinated is going backwards and not forwards? Can anyone find me a link online where it discloses how many people in Gibraltar have been hospitalised with Covid? If that number is low - maybe then I will trust it more.

Have you ever been in Gibraltar? Seen the border? Every single day large numbers of people cross the border in la linea. I know everytime I have been there were queues and queues of cars waiting to cross. It isn't just 100% vaccinated people walking around there everyday. Tons of people that live in Spain commute to Gib everyday due to the high cost of rent there. Nobody has ever said that vaccinated people cannot get or spread covid. They are just less likely to.

If I'd have been given more time to rationalise my fears and understand things better, I probably would have had it.

You have had a year almost since vaccines were rolled out, if you cannot grasp the science at this point then I don't think it is more time that you need. Sadly some people just aren't able to and it is a shame that they will lose their jobs especially when they are the ones more likely to find it difficult to get another but patient safety has to come first.

Being forced means being held down and injected without permission .

I overheard the pharmacist talking about this the other day. Apparently the same applies to care workers.
I do not find it fair. I do not think anyone should be put on this position.
I am very pro the vaccines myself. We all had them in my household, including 13 year old. I have the AZ when it was at its top in controversy. Not a doubt in my mind that I was doing the right thing.
But, I fully respect people who disagree.
I would not exclude anyone like this.

@whymewhyme

I'm a carer, I've been where you are now. Its Grim! I caved and had the jab...i had no option but to have it .. or id lose my house and wont be able to feed my kids, they left me no choice.

You've got two choices....leave or fight it, many are but its a long and stressful road.

Grim, is it? I can think of things far more grim.

And I really think some perspective is in order. There are some struggling countries where people haven't been able to source their first vaccination, let alone their second. They would jump at the opportunity of a vaccination. This sniping is first-world privilege - and it's awful to witness.

@wingingmumlife

For me personally, I would have liked to have waited a little longer first before having this vaccine.

The fact they're forcing healthcare workers to have this vaccine makes me and many others want it less.

If I'd have been given more time to rationalise my fears and understand things better, I probably would have had it.

How can someone with health anxiety trust that this vaccine is in mine and others best interest when Gibraltar "the most vaccinated place in the world" has cancelled Christmas due to a surge of Covid cases - what is this vaccine doing if a country that has 100% of its population vaccinated is going backwards and not forwards? Can anyone find me a link online where it discloses how many people in Gibraltar have been hospitalised with Covid? If that number is low - maybe then I will trust it more.

So now we see it. "I have health anxiety"