I have to have the vaccine or I loose my job

[wingingmumlife]

I am absolutely prepared to get flamed for this but I am really worrying.

I am 22 year years old, healthy and unvaccinated (by choice).

I am not anti-vax, I have had every single vaccine from being a child to now and my daughter is up to date with all of hers too.

I work in dentistry and myself and 4 other colleagues have been told we have to be fully vaccinated by April 2022 otherwise, we lose our jobs.

I just can't believe it has come to this. I feel like my human rights have been taken away. I'm not a conspiracy theorist and I am a big believer in science but as a genuine question ... Can someone please tell me why this vaccine is being pushed so much to the point where soon we probably won't be able to even go into a restaurant without having this vaccine?

I have to wear AGP PPE every single day for every single patient but this still isn't enough?

I test myself every single day, but this still isn't enough?

Can someone please help it make sense to me? That is a genuine question.

Im not looking for an argument and I'm not wanting anyone to tell me "how stupid I am" I just want this to make sense.

For anyone wondering why I haven't had the vaccine - the main reason being, I have severe health anxiety, ironic I know since most would think I'd jump for the vaccine, but at the moment I'm more scared of this vaccine then I am of catching Covid itself.

I just feel sick to my stomach at the thought of not having a job unless I have this vaccine, it really doesn't sit well with me but everyone on here seems to be supporting it?

@Lightisnotwhite

I don't think it's a threat any more than saying "if you don't turn up for work, we won't pay you" or "if you walk out of the shop with those shoes without paying for them, we will call the police". There is a difference between consequences and threats.

But neither of your situations are reality because we have hard fought rights. If you don’t turn up for work as a teacher or doctor there’s more likely to be concern than a sacking.
If you walk out without paying for something, a genuine reason is likely to get you off with no consequences.
We don’t accuse or condemn people. Apart from apparently if they don’t get vaccinated.

Of course they are reality! We've had people at my work not turn up. Most people who shoplift have no reason why they do so other than they think they can get away with it.

Your situation is not a reality. OP is not being condemned by her work. She can choose to get another job (Brexit appears to have created many vacancies) or she can have the jab. She is not being cast out from society. Society has just chosen to decrease the risk to its citizens, including it's most vulnerable citizens by ensuring its health staff are taking all possible measures to reduce the risk to others.

Personally I don't condemn the OP at all. I am happy for her to choose not to get the vaccine, even if I don't think her rationale is rational. But that doesn't mean that I don't recognise that her choice in this regard exposes others to increased risk so yes, I do think it's proportionate for her to not be able to work in the health industry.

The reasoning is all very bizarre to me. If a surgeon had a drinking problem, would we continue to let her operate on people? If not, are we threatening or condemning her? No, we are recognising the impact of her disease. The OP similarly has a disease (health anxiety). I feel for her, but that doesn't mean that the risk she causes for others is not real.

@XenoBitch

*Ridiculous whataboutery aside.

No one is being forced to the have the vaccine.
It's not unreasonable to ask healthcare workers to be vaccinated. If they don't want to then they can leave*

You have only accepted the choice of no jab, no job (if applicable to you) because you are fine with it.
One day, it might be something you are not ok with.

What measure to protect public health do you think people might not be OK with?

The vaccine reduces transmission. You work in a healthcare setting that vulnerable people have to use. What’s the alternative? A website with all staff’s vaccination status on so my 80 year old FIL with blood cancer can choose a low-risk dentist?

Of course vaccines are being pushed. It’s the only way out for now, and the only reason we’ve currently got so many of our freedoms back.

@ClaryFairchild

The "sense" that it makes is on a community level, not individual. The vaccine is there to protect the community, because of how virulent it is and the number of people that would end up in hospital, overloading the medical system.

As an individual, you can normally take a number of risks for yourself, but there are always limits. You can't drive on the opposite side of the road, you have to wear seat belts, you have to take a certain level of care of your children or you will be found guilty of neglect, etc.

We have always had rules imposed on our behaviour when they have quantifiable potential negative impacts on the greater community. The requirements to have the Covid vaccination is merely one of them.

Excellent post. The government are doing this to keep the country 'open'. Without it schools would be shut, healthcare on its knees, peoples' mental health spiralling out of control. I really feel for you with your anxiety struggles as I also have anxiety. I think seeking help with this will be the most beneficial for you. Wishing you all the best.

Your right there are far more grim things to deal with in life however... if you don't want the vaccine for what ever reason and you've got to chose between putting food on the table and paying your mortgage or you've got to have a vaccine you don't want or would rather wait is GRIM! It's a terrble position to be in.

I'd be interest to know how many vacines a year we are all going to have before we all get fed up of having them 4...5...6?

People are still getting covid, people are still dieing of covid vaccinated and unvaccinated. What does it actually do? because we know it doesn't last very long, it just gives you a cool little QR code badge of honor? To show we've " protected granny" " done our bit " and " saved christmas"

Btw I'm double vaccinated.

The privileged first world whinging on this thread is nauseating. As is the misinformation. "People are still dying of covid vaccinated and unvaccinated." !

I wish boosters could be given to countries who actually want and need them, but all hail vaccine inequity.

@whymewhyme

I'd be interest to know how many vacines a year we are all going to have before we all get fed up of having them 4...5...6?

People are still getting covid, people are still dieing of covid vaccinated and unvaccinated. What does it actually do? because we know it doesn't last very long, it just gives you a cool little QR code badge of honor? To show we've " protected granny" " done our bit " and " saved christmas"

Btw I'm double vaccinated.

I suppose you could stop getting vaxxed and find out?

I wish i didn't have it, i didn't want it and if it wasn't a condition of my employment i wouldn't of had it. I'm fit, healthy and good weight, I've had covid before vaccination and it was just a like a cold. So I know I'd be fine. Thank you!

@whymewhyme

I wish i didn't have it, i didn't want it and if it wasn't a condition of my employment i wouldn't of had it. I'm fit, healthy and good weight, I've had covid before vaccination and it was just a like a cold. So I know I'd be fine. Thank you!

If it helps, they reckon the best type of immunity is from infection + jab. I read that if you've had COVID and the first jab, your immunity is 40 times greater than if you'd just had the jab.

whymewhyme

I'd be interest to know how many vacines a year we are all going to have before we all get fed up of having them 4...5...6? “

Lost count of our ‘flu jabs. Not fed up, just pleased to have them.

@wingingmumlife

As it stands my options are:

1. Have the vaccine but knowing me I would be at the doctors everyday with a new symptom thinking I'm going to die.
2. Don't have the vaccine, but loose my job.

My manager told me today that the deadline for the first vaccination would be 3rd Feb in order to have had both by 1st April. I will wait until the very last minute and that's not me saying I will even have it yet. I'm a dental nurse and get paid just above minimum wage, so for me, it's not even worth it but obviously I have a profession still and was hoping to work my way up in my job so that would be out the window if I did decide to leave.

Maybe unvaccinated people are more likely to spread the virus, but not at my place of work. I am head to toe in PPE, literally sweating when I take it all off - we aren't short of PPE anymore either.

It just seems strange that they will happily let us work through winter unvaccinated but as long as we get both doses by April 1st which is the start of the NHS financial year then that's ok?

I am not saying I will never get this vaccine, but I would like to wait a little longer first.

But the point is, you’re not only at risk of contracting the virus at work. Unless you are surrounded by a bubble 24/7, you can catch it anywhere. I suggest you speak to your GP about your health anxiety. What exactly is your concern? That the vaccine will make you ill? You can be sure that catching Covid will also make you ill to a greater or lesser degree. Statistically much sicker than any side effect of the vaccine. The very nature of your work means that you’re more exposed to the virus should any patient be unknowingly infected, and those same patients are at a far greater risk of catching the virus from you whilst they’re having treatment. You say you’re not anti vax, but your unwillingness to have it shows that you are.

@whymewhyme

I wish i didn't have it, i didn't want it and if it wasn't a condition of my employment i wouldn't of had it. I'm fit, healthy and good weight, I've had covid before vaccination and it was just a like a cold. So I know I'd be fine. Thank you!

Remind me again how many people worldwide have died from Covid? (Hint: it’s 5.1 million) How many people in the UK have died from the vaccine? (hint: it’s 9)

blog.ons.gov.uk/2021/10/04/how-many-people-have-died-as-a-result-of-a-covid-19-vaccine/

@IHateFlies

This is so bizarre. This vaccine wanes very quickly over a few months, doesn’t stop transmission yet people are losing their jobs if they don’t have it. There are people who’ve had third boosters who have contracted covid. Good if it protects them but It’s got minimal to do with somebody else’s vaccine status. I’m really hoping the boosters will do a good job but I wonder where we’ll be in a few months time. Somehow I have a feeling there’ll be a jab#4

Doesn't stop transmission is just NOT TRUE !!! Stop making stuff up ! It's bollox like this which is so dangerous to public health.

By quoting nonsense you are LITERALLY a public health menace.

www.thelancet.com/journals/lanmic/article/PIIS2666-5247(21)00069-0/fulltext

@whymewhyme

Your right there are far more grim things to deal with in life however... if you don't want the vaccine for what ever reason and you've got to chose between putting food on the table and paying your mortgage or you've got to have a vaccine you don't want or would rather wait is GRIM! It's a terrble position to be in.

No that's not the case . You can not have the vaccine and just not work in health care . Get a job where it doesn't matter.

I am starting to think this is not a matter of health anxiety.

I am sorry you used the wrong word minimising mental health issues.

@whymewhyme

I'd be interest to know how many vacines a year we are all going to have before we all get fed up of having them 4...5...6?

People are still getting covid, people are still dieing of covid vaccinated and unvaccinated. What does it actually do? because we know it doesn't last very long, it just gives you a cool little QR code badge of honor? To show we've " protected granny" " done our bit " and " saved christmas"

Btw I'm double vaccinated.

Why don't you ask those clever women who worked hard at Oxford to develop one of the vaccines ? I'm sure they would love to read your derogatory comments . Yes it may well be that this is a vaccine or booster that we get annually - so what ?

@BridgetGetTheGin

YANBU.

The more it's pushed on me, the less I want it. I'm 9 months pregnant.

Really. ? I am speechless. Do you not watch the news or read ANY proper peer reviewed scientific papers on Covid/Pregnancy/vaccine?

Why on Earth would you put your baby and self at FAR greater risk of harm than by having a vaccine ?

news.sky.com/story/amp/covid-19-unvaccinated-pregnant-women-make-up-one-fifth-of-the-most-critically-ill-coronavirus-patients-in-england-12431110

I wonder how on board with with public health measures people would be if they started to penalise people who were putting themselves and the NHS at risk through their own lifestyle choices?

What if those who are CV as a direct consequence of their obesity were told they either lost 100 lbs or they lose their job?

Ons of the biggest risk factors for poor outcomes from covid is related to BMI.

No diet no job? A lot of people facing mandatory vaccine have not put their health at risk from not looking after themselves.

I had my booster last week and you know what ? Each time I have gone to these places I marvel at the work that has been done to get us to this stage . Can you actually remember those first few months of Covid thinking wtf is happening - unable to get groceries , confined to your home with children , no school , panic buying and deserted streets . Grim photos coming out of Italy and mass morgues being built here and the horrendous stories coming out of hospitals here as well of people on ventilators .It was a scary time - people leaving post outside for 48 hours , spraying groceries , not seeing family and friends etc.
Look where we are now - being offered these vaccines as protection against this .Yes , we hear of people getting it even when vaccinated but mildly . Yes ,we see the photos of the dying anti vaxxers saying "yes it's real" from time to time and i think "well, their choice.." It is your choice to expose your family and friends to this but sorry your job options may be limited . I especially love the "I want to do more research " line - are you in a lab somewhere , involved in assessing trials of vaccines ? No you are sitting reading crap on MN and other shite on FB 🙄

People are still getting covid, people are still dieing of covid vaccinated and unvaccinated. What does it actually do?

It prevents lots of people dying. Remember India? It prevents that.

Many countries would love to have that vaccine. Where is your sense and gratitude.

@userperuser

I wonder how on board with with public health measures people would be if they started to penalise people who were putting themselves and the NHS at risk through their own lifestyle choices?

What if those who are CV as a direct consequence of their obesity were told they either lost 100 lbs or they lose their job?

Ons of the biggest risk factors for poor outcomes from covid is related to BMI.

No diet no job? A lot of people facing mandatory vaccine have not put their health at risk from not looking after themselves.

Nice whataboutery.

@finknottlesnewt

Doesn't stop transmission is just NOT TRUE !!! Stop making stuff up ! It's bollox like this which is so dangerous to public health.

Why does Boris say otherwise? Is he spreading bollox too?

m.youtube.com/watch?v=qsQ5ruBG8Hc

No it isn’t Dishh it’s fact.

Once the unvaccinated have been sufficiently vilified and punished potentially the anger could turn to those risking the health service through their lifestyle.

Lockdown for anybody with a BMI that’s above healthy.