I have to have the vaccine or I loose my job

[wingingmumlife]

I am absolutely prepared to get flamed for this but I am really worrying.

I am 22 year years old, healthy and unvaccinated (by choice).

I am not anti-vax, I have had every single vaccine from being a child to now and my daughter is up to date with all of hers too.

I work in dentistry and myself and 4 other colleagues have been told we have to be fully vaccinated by April 2022 otherwise, we lose our jobs.

I just can't believe it has come to this. I feel like my human rights have been taken away. I'm not a conspiracy theorist and I am a big believer in science but as a genuine question ... Can someone please tell me why this vaccine is being pushed so much to the point where soon we probably won't be able to even go into a restaurant without having this vaccine?

I have to wear AGP PPE every single day for every single patient but this still isn't enough?

I test myself every single day, but this still isn't enough?

Can someone please help it make sense to me? That is a genuine question.

Im not looking for an argument and I'm not wanting anyone to tell me "how stupid I am" I just want this to make sense.

For anyone wondering why I haven't had the vaccine - the main reason being, I have severe health anxiety, ironic I know since most would think I'd jump for the vaccine, but at the moment I'm more scared of this vaccine then I am of catching Covid itself.

I just feel sick to my stomach at the thought of not having a job unless I have this vaccine, it really doesn't sit well with me but everyone on here seems to be supporting it?

@GP2020 Well not one of the dentists I work with have refused to work chair side with me.

What “obvious lies” are you referring too? I’d love to know since I’ve not lied once.

@DrNo007

You are not wrong or unreasonable and there are plenty of us who think the same as you, including numerous scientists and doctors who are aware of how safety testing and medical ethics are normally practised and see the massive contrast with these latest vaccines. The agenda is being dictated by the pharmaceutical industry and those who wish to control and restrict and surveil the population. But you won’t find much support on here; maybe join some groups on Telegram instead?

Who are these numerous scientists and doctors @DrNo007?

SoundsGreek read the thread. The op has explained why the hep b vaccine is different to her as have others.

No one is making you have the vaccine
You are being made to have it because you choose to work in the health care profession (an umbrella of people who are supposed to care for others.)
If you don't wish to contribute positively to society, then yes, shortly you be excluded from certain aspects of that society. That again is your choice.

I understand you have "medical anxiety" but as i understand it, this is at times an irrational fear of medical procedures, if this just affected yourself, of course it should be fine to say no, but it doesn't it affects others you treat, that's where you then have to consider them.

@olivehater

SoundsGreek read the thread. The op has explained why the hep b vaccine is different to her as have others.

I understand the difference in her reasoning for it being out longer so she knows the long term effects, but it makes no sense in relation to it being against her human rights?

@Cop26CopOut

I don’t know about dentists but staff in hospitals have had to have Hep B jabs as part of their contract for years. This isn’t new or unprecedented.

Not all, just those doing exposure prone procedures - so can't see hands at all times, in a body cavity. That's a minority, and is properly risk assessed,

She knew entering her career that she had to have it before she signed up.
The goalposts have now changed when she is already on a career path that is hard to deviate from now that she is established.

[quote wingingmumlife]@GP2020 Well not one of the dentists I work with have refused to work chair side with me.

What “obvious lies” are you referring too? I’d love to know since I’ve not lied once. [/quote]
@wingingmumlife I've not read all the posts, but so sorry to see you've experienced unkindness from people here. It's really unwarranted, and I don't understand either why you'd lose your job for not being vaccinated.

Beyond three months, it has only a tiny effect on transmission, with delta. You wear a mask as you say, which is more than people do in the supermarket. You're not doing anything which would people more at risk than being in a supermarket or even more crowded space.

As you've said, Hep B is different and people shouldn't keep using this as a reason to justify this.

I'm not sure this will all go ahead.

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@olivehater

She knew entering her career that she had to have it before she signed up. The goalposts have now changed when she is already on a career path that is hard to deviate from now that she is established.

But due to pandemic that has now changed with the need to protect society. Things do change in life, I'm sure it wasn't always mandatory to have other jabs, but it is now. Some people will always be the first for it to be mandatory. Does the contract only state that specific jab or does it then mention anything about jabs that are needed within the role etc. she is now being given the offer of continuing that role exactly the same, she just needs to be jabbed to do so, her choice ,no one is being forced or any human right violated.

What you need to do is get some therapy, get a sedative and get that vaccine.

@Eastridingclub

What you need to do is get some therapy, get a sedative and get that vaccine.

Yes, so easy. Do you realise how hard it is to get mental health help on the NHS now? I am not vaccinated due to needle phobia. There is NO help near me for that at the moment. None.

To anyone saying it is not being forced upon us or we are not being coerced into being vaccinated, the definition is right here in black and white.

"The practice of persuading someone to do something by using force or threats"

Is being told to have the vaccine or loose your job not a threat then? Sounds like it to me.

I just want to say as well to those who have been kind and understanding - it's nice to know people like you still exist in the world

What do you want from this thread OP?

@olivehater

She knew entering her career that she had to have it before she signed up. The goalposts have now changed when she is already on a career path that is hard to deviate from now that she is established.

The GMC advises that HCPs must be immunised for relevant infectious diseases

It is accepted that relevant will change depending on the situation, like novel pandemics

@wingingmumlife

To anyone saying it is not being forced upon us or we are not being coerced into being vaccinated, the definition is right here in black and white.

"The practice of persuading someone to do something by using force or threats"

Is being told to have the vaccine or loose your job not a threat then? Sounds like it to me.

I just want to say as well to those who have been kind and understanding - it's nice to know people like you still exist in the world

I hear you. I really do. It is so easy if you were happy to have the vaccine... but it seems the people so happy to have it can not and do not realise how hard it can be for others. But they wont try to understand you, or help you feel at ease. Instead they call you names such as "anti-vaxxer" (when you have had all other vaccines already), selfish... when you have been in the faces of potential Covid infested people with no PPE or vaccine for months,.. oh, and they clapped for you too. Telling you to "get a grip" etc... how will that help?

"The practice of persuading someone to do something by using force or threats"

Is being told to have the vaccine or loose your job not a threat then? Sounds like it to me

The practice is enforcing and abiding by the changes being set out by the government.
Does your contract fall under the HCPs one where you must be immunised for relevant infections ? (As a pp confirmed )?

You do what's right for you OP. I bet more than half the people accusing you of being selfish are flying off this year on holiday making the chance of variants from abroad entering the U.K that much greater.

@bigvig

You do what's right for you OP. I bet more than half the people accusing you of being selfish are flying off this year on holiday making the chance of variants from abroad entering the U.K that much greater.

Lol, it is the UK that now has all the dangerous variants. And people who fly are double vaxxed, tested before departure and arrival, and in some cases, quarantined on re-entry.

I too am confused as to what the OP wants from this thread. Assuming we all say you are being forced to take the vaccine, and it is unfair, OP, what are you going to do about it? Sue your employer?

@bigvig

You do what's right for you OP. I bet more than half the people accusing you of being selfish are flying off this year on holiday making the chance of variants from abroad entering the U.K that much greater.

For goodness sake.

But unvaccinated healthcare workers are a big reason thousands of patients have died. It’s not about your individual human rights, it’s about survival. The decision to remain unvaccinated is selfish as it doesn’t just put you at risk, you’re risking others lives. After watching a healthy 40 year old die from covid, absolutely no sympathy here and you should lose your job unless you wake up and get jabbed.

@wingingmumlife & @shockedNeighbour so appreciate what your posting here. I am baffled by what's happening globally and the impact this is having on families, friends, now workplaces! Shocking! I am not vaccinated and don't plan on getting it either. Masks are still mandatory where i am and i test regularly if needed at work, but there are way too many unknowns and a massive hidden agenda behind all of this which keeps me a million miles from the vaccine. I'm completely in the middle of two sides those who say 'just go get it' and those who are saying 'why the fuck would you go get it' but i feel this should ultimately be my choice. As for statistics, look hard enough and you'll find 'information' to fit whatever scenario you want to believe and makes you feel better. Good luck @wingingmumlife the pressure is huge on you but ultimately this should be your choice. You aren't alone with how you are feeling!!

Lokdok where do you get these stats about unvaccinated health workers killing thousands of patients. You do know that you can pass on Covid whilst vaccinated don’t you? And the majority of healthcare workers are vaccinated anyway so you are talking absolute rubbish.

Try working in obstetrics were the majority of patients are unvaccinated and nobody seems to care about the fact they can pass Covid on to the health professionals that look after them.

Perhaps we ought to have a rule that if you expect health care workers to be vaccinated to keep their jobs that if you come for non-urgent treatment you should also have proof of vaccination. Why should’nt it work both ways? We are not martyrs!

It should not be one rule for us and one for everyone else.

Olly the goalposts have changed without a doubt. Flu has been around for ages as have non-mandatory flu jabs. Now all of a sudden the flu vaccine is mandatory too.

Like I said I have had all the vaccines anyway but I chose to. I don’t have health anxiety. I weighed up the risks and made that decision as should be my right and everybody’s right, health professional or otherwise.