I have to have the vaccine or I loose my job

[wingingmumlife]

I am absolutely prepared to get flamed for this but I am really worrying.

I am 22 year years old, healthy and unvaccinated (by choice).

I am not anti-vax, I have had every single vaccine from being a child to now and my daughter is up to date with all of hers too.

I work in dentistry and myself and 4 other colleagues have been told we have to be fully vaccinated by April 2022 otherwise, we lose our jobs.

I just can't believe it has come to this. I feel like my human rights have been taken away. I'm not a conspiracy theorist and I am a big believer in science but as a genuine question ... Can someone please tell me why this vaccine is being pushed so much to the point where soon we probably won't be able to even go into a restaurant without having this vaccine?

I have to wear AGP PPE every single day for every single patient but this still isn't enough?

I test myself every single day, but this still isn't enough?

Can someone please help it make sense to me? That is a genuine question.

Im not looking for an argument and I'm not wanting anyone to tell me "how stupid I am" I just want this to make sense.

For anyone wondering why I haven't had the vaccine - the main reason being, I have severe health anxiety, ironic I know since most would think I'd jump for the vaccine, but at the moment I'm more scared of this vaccine then I am of catching Covid itself.

I just feel sick to my stomach at the thought of not having a job unless I have this vaccine, it really doesn't sit well with me but everyone on here seems to be supporting it?

twitter.com/rachelmckibbens/status/1458881015917678594?s=21

I encourage anyone who isn't vaccinated to read this.

@Tavelo

The most ironic thing is surely that real infection actually makes you more immune than any vaccine possibly could and many people will have had a real covid infection whether they know it (or ate unvaccinated) or not.

This is soooo fake news www.immunology.org/sites/default/files/BSI_UKCIC_resource_NaturalvVaccineImmunity.pdf

Have you had your Hep B jab ?

@Covidwoes

https://twitter.com/rachelmckibbens/status/1458881015917678594?s=21

I encourage anyone who isn't vaccinated to read this.

God, that is so tragic. This is what can happen when vulnerable people buy into wild anti vax/covid denial conspiracy theories. If that Twitter account easn't blue ticked, I bet the anti vax brigade would be calling it a hoax. They probably are any way.

@Dyerun

The thing is, at the moment we all have to isolate from work (hospital) if we have a close contact whether we are vaccinated or not, so that argument holds no weight with me.

We don't in General Practice. I imagine Dental practices are more similar to us than hospitals.

wasn't blue ticked.

@questionsneverstop that link states that there is strong protection after two doses of the vaccines and we now know that’s not true. Boosters are being rolled out just after a few months whilst data on natural immunity currently states that there is good protection up to maybe 2 years (BMJ article)

It simply hadn't occurred to me that any member of staff working in my dentist surgery might not be vaccinated.

@wingingmumlife

There are 10 us working in the practice *@Sweetnhappy1* 5 of us unvaccinated. My company is already begging for dental nurses, let's say all 5 leave - appointments WILL have to be cancelled for god knows how long.

My workplace itself has to cancel patients weekly due to a shortage of staff. So yeah, sounds like a great plan

I would rather have a delayed appointment that an unvaccinated person near my mouth .

The OP will have chosen that career path fully informed of the requirements and this particular vaccination wasn’t one of them.

What was required for my career path when I chose it isn’t what is required of me now. Things change, you go with it or change careers.

@DameMaureen I'm happy to hear that Maureen, because that's what will be happening. At the moment the wait time in A&E near me is approx 8-9 hours, this will increase. The wait time for when we refer a patient to the hospital for dental treatment is 12 months, this will increase. I hope you don't need urgent medical care anytime soon because there will be a massive shortage of health care staff come April.

This is the fastest route into NHS privatisation so I sure hope you and your family can afford private healthcare/insurance in the future.

@BoredZelda

The OP will have chosen that career path fully informed of the requirements and this particular vaccination wasn’t one of them.

What was required for my career path when I chose it isn’t what is required of me now. Things change, you go with it or change careers.

What changed that gave you the choice between something you did not want to do or losing your job?

@questionsneverstop It isn't fake news. There is a natural immunity superior to any vaccine. They are trying to make a vaccine based on it because it would stop transmission. www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-59207466

[quote wingingmumlife]@DameMaureen I'm happy to hear that Maureen, because that's what will be happening. At the moment the wait time in A&E near me is approx 8-9 hours, this will increase. The wait time for when we refer a patient to the hospital for dental treatment is 12 months, this will increase. I hope you don't need urgent medical care anytime soon because there will be a massive shortage of health care staff come April.

This is the fastest route into NHS privatisation so I sure hope you and your family can afford private healthcare/insurance in the future. [/quote]
OP it’s seems quite disingenuous to pretend to act like you care and then want to go near vulnerable patients whilst you are unvaccinated. Actually scratch that you don’t sound like you care at all.

[quote wingingmumlife]@DameMaureen I'm happy to hear that Maureen, because that's what will be happening. At the moment the wait time in A&E near me is approx 8-9 hours, this will increase. The wait time for when we refer a patient to the hospital for dental treatment is 12 months, this will increase. I hope you don't need urgent medical care anytime soon because there will be a massive shortage of health care staff come April.

This is the fastest route into NHS privatisation so I sure hope you and your family can afford private healthcare/insurance in the future. [/quote]
@wingingmumlife

I thought it was your “health anxiety” that was stopping you getting the vaccine? Your posts are just standard anti vax rhetoric.

You’re happy to hear people will have to wait for dental treatment? doesn’t sound like you’ll be much loss to your profession…

I'd highly recommend the book "Vaxxers" written by the two women at Oxford Uni who developed the AstraZeneca vaccine. A fascinating read and it debunks a lot of the myths and misunderstandings about the vaccine. A few of the salient points:

1. This is not a "new" vaccine. Immunologists knew it was coming after SARS and MERS. They were already working on a covid vaccine but were incredibly underfunded.

1. The heavy financial investment enabled the rapid development of the vaccine. Scientists the world over raced for a solution. Ideally they wanted vaccines from several different sources to ensure that there was a range of alternatives if one didn't work. The lab at Oxford was tiny and they struggled when AZ came in to scale up the operation.

1. Usually vaccine development is linear. Likened to a roast dinner. You cook the carrots, then the potatoes, then the peas, then you display them in your window and hope someone passing offers you a chicken. With the covid vaccine, all the steps were happening simultaneously. A huge reputational risk; if one part failed, the other stages were useless too, but it was this risk that enabled rapid progress.

1. It has been through robust clinical trial. Unsurprisingly there were lots of volunteer for trials as the public were directed impacted by the virus, unlike trials of Ebola vaccine which had a poor take up in the uk. It has been tested on the elderly and pregnant women. The data has been published.

1. It's not risk free but nothing in life is risk free. Patterns of adverse events were tracked and monitored. The risks of blood clot etc are very small. You're more likely to die in a plane crash.

1. There are no "unknown long term effects". Statistically side effects from vaccines arise in the minutes, hours and days after the jab. If you're going to have a reaction, it'll be during the 15 minutes you're sat in the car park afterwards. There is no evidence that any vaccine gives you cancer or any other side effect years after it is administered.

1. It will happen again. We've had three major viruses in 20 years. We need to be better prepared for next time.

@user698312578 I have absolutely no idea what your post means. I know it is about natural immunity that's why I said "there is natural immunity superior to any vaccine" which another poster had claimed was fake news.

There are no "unknown long term effects". Statistically side effects from vaccines arise in the minutes, hours and days after the jab. If you're going to have a reaction, it'll be during the 15 minutes you're sat in the car park afterwards. There is no evidence that any vaccine gives you cancer or any other side effect years after it is administered.

One of the oddities of anti vaxxers is their ability to believe, simultaneously, that vaccines can do nothing and can affect you 20 years later.

A sort of Schrödinger's vaccine BertramLacey?

Cannot believe posters are comparing the plague (chance of dying over 50%) and Covid (chance of dying 3% and that is world data)
Crazy how fast people are excitedly throwing away their right to bodily autonomy. I wouldn't personally have an abortion but I'm pro choice where does this end really?

Mandating vaccines is nothing to do with Covid it's to privatise the NHS. Care homes closing so where do all the elderly end up? Flooding hospitals and then when they are at breaking point, sack the NHS staff who are already chronically understaffed.
"NHS not fit for purpose, needs reform"

This is nothing to do with pro vaccine or anti vaccine it's made everyone froth and turn on each other

[quote wingingmumlife]@DameMaureen I'm happy to hear that Maureen, because that's what will be happening. At the moment the wait time in A&E near me is approx 8-9 hours, this will increase. The wait time for when we refer a patient to the hospital for dental treatment is 12 months, this will increase. I hope you don't need urgent medical care anytime soon because there will be a massive shortage of health care staff come April.

This is the fastest route into NHS privatisation so I sure hope you and your family can afford private healthcare/insurance in the future. [/quote]
As well as decades of underfunding and mismanagement, wait times have and are increasing due to:

A) Hospitals busy with Covid patients - proportionally more unvaccinated than vaxxed (ncluding the 1 in 6 ICU patients who are unvaccinated pregnant women).

B) NHS staff dead from Covid

C) NHS staff long term sick with Long Covid or burn out/PTSD

I understand how you feel op. Even tho I'm double vaxed I just left social care due to the forced jabs, bad pay, constant testing, working conditions.