I have to have the vaccine or I loose my job

[wingingmumlife]

I am absolutely prepared to get flamed for this but I am really worrying.

I am 22 year years old, healthy and unvaccinated (by choice).

I am not anti-vax, I have had every single vaccine from being a child to now and my daughter is up to date with all of hers too.

I work in dentistry and myself and 4 other colleagues have been told we have to be fully vaccinated by April 2022 otherwise, we lose our jobs.

I just can't believe it has come to this. I feel like my human rights have been taken away. I'm not a conspiracy theorist and I am a big believer in science but as a genuine question ... Can someone please tell me why this vaccine is being pushed so much to the point where soon we probably won't be able to even go into a restaurant without having this vaccine?

I have to wear AGP PPE every single day for every single patient but this still isn't enough?

I test myself every single day, but this still isn't enough?

Can someone please help it make sense to me? That is a genuine question.

Im not looking for an argument and I'm not wanting anyone to tell me "how stupid I am" I just want this to make sense.

For anyone wondering why I haven't had the vaccine - the main reason being, I have severe health anxiety, ironic I know since most would think I'd jump for the vaccine, but at the moment I'm more scared of this vaccine then I am of catching Covid itself.

I just feel sick to my stomach at the thought of not having a job unless I have this vaccine, it really doesn't sit well with me but everyone on here seems to be supporting it?

Care is holistic. Mental and physical. It's not just about washing, dressing, medicating.

Our most vulnerable should be and feel safe in care homes and hospitals.

And now here we are. The consequences of relying for far too long on the exploitation of cheap labour.

It needs to change. We need to attract the right people for such important jobs. Decent pay and good working conditions.

Unsafe care (whether staff shortages or unvaccinated staff) is not care.

Smoking is one funding option.

Studies have shown that it is a net gain to the economy. Huge tax revenue (that more than covers smoker healthcare) and lower social care (and pension) costs.

@Unmerited

Also great to be in a country where availability to vaccines is a given. It’s a privilege to be in this situation. This choice.

And it's so not appreciated these days.

I remember when we were grateful. When did it stop?

@Vivana

I understand how you feel op. Even tho I'm double vaxed I just left social care due to the forced jabs, bad pay, constant testing, working conditions.

Don't blame you @Vivana the carers I know are the kindest loveliest people you could meet, paid the bare minimum, constantly called to do extra hours at no notice and still give 100% to the service users it's criminal how they have been treated for too long

What I don't understand OP is that when we have had covid vaccines for almost a year now, you can still be more scared of possible side effects of the vaccine than covid itself? And you must appreciate as a HCP that this a public health initiative to protect us all and especially the most vulnerable. I think we have a moral duty to get treatment for any anxiety, and look at the data, and get jabbed, for however long it takes.

So the OP is now blaming the covid vaccine for NHS privatisation. How hilarious.

OP you are full of anti vaccination rhetoric and lies and it's got nothing whatsoever to do with any anxiety you lay claim to. It's sheer ignorance. Oh, and the reason your dental practice has had to cancel appointments? Because of you - and those like you - dropping them in it by refusing the vaccine. It's your fault so please stop pretending anything else.
Just go and get a different job and stop whining.

@andyoldlabour

OP, just get the vaccine, you have said you have had other jabs. Covid has killed at least 143,000 people in the UK in 20 months. In the 6 years of WW2, 69,000 civilians lost their lives to German attacks. I wonder how many demonstrations against gas masks and air raid shelters there were?

and the award for the most realistic and helpful comparison goes to...

I've asked as I'm at the dentist next week. My dentist and hygienist are both vaccinated and were happy to answer
They understand - I've had three vaccines, no idea if I've got antibodies, have to have antibiotics before any dental work, I don't even wait in a&e or GP surgery, I get a side room and that's before covid
20 mins in a room with the hygienist in my face, I wanted to ask. They also told me that they lateral flow test, masks are required on entry and temperature checks still being done

Im a nurse .

Essentially you have 2 options:
Protect the patients and ensure that the service is staffed and not over run by covid

Or

Change your job

Yes I know thats harsh , but patient safety should, and will always come first.

Anti vaxxers (and that includes OP) I am really intrigued how you are going to respond to a crippling health system.

Does that bother you, in the slightest?

Because your refusal of the vaccine is the single highest contributor currently to ALL of us one day being unable to access medical treatment.

All for not being able to logically asses the risk of a vaccine.

@antipa

Anti vaxxers (and that includes OP) I am really intrigued how you are going to respond to a crippling health system.

Does that bother you, in the slightest?

Because your refusal of the vaccine is the single highest contributor currently to ALL of us one day being unable to access medical treatment.

All for not being able to logically asses the risk of a vaccine.

I pretty sure cutting funding to services is what cripples the health service.

"Health anxiety" is a funny thing when it causes you to avoid a vaccine and risk a debilitating and potentially fatal disease.

It must be very stressful to have society insist that you should reduce the chances of spreading disease to other, more vulnerable, people; and that if you can't or won't, you should seek alternative employment.

I remember the American typhoid carrier who insisted on working as a cook until she was locked up. I'm sure she felt that infringed her personal freedom.

@antipa

Anti vaxxers (and that includes OP) I am really intrigued how you are going to respond to a crippling health system.

Does that bother you, in the slightest?

Because your refusal of the vaccine is the single highest contributor currently to ALL of us one day being unable to access medical treatment.

All for not being able to logically asses the risk of a vaccine.

Hahahaha!! Yes nothing to do with the fact that bed numbers have been halved over the last 30 years, population increased by approximately 1.1million in that time. But yea it's the anti vaxxers

@namechangerforthisconfessionn never said those reasons aren't contributing but right now yes the anti vaxxers are the Amazon contributor given that cancer treatments have been severely fucked since Covid arrived

Health anxiety is weird. I had it for years and was on medication and having panic attacks etc. I don't actually know what cured it but I went for a big op as an emergency (would have been paralysed without it) and I was the calmest person ever despite being alone for it
Yet a few years before I would have been having a panic attack at the sight of a hospital

antipa yes the anti vaxxers are the Amazon contributor given that cancer treatments have been severely fucked since Covid arrived

I live in Mexico and had my cancer treatment (for free) just after the first wave of the pandemia. It is shocking that Mexico can provide necessary healthcare to its citizens but the NHS no longer can. And the number of people who are unvaccinated in the UK is miniscule

You asked for opinions and mine is that you're being absolutely ridiculous OP! Unless you're a virologist who's been studying SARS viruses & vaccines your entire career, then GET THE VACCINE! 🤦🏼‍♀️🤦🏼‍♀️🤦🏼‍♀️

@wingingmumlife

I wish more people on this thread understood health anxiety.

Every week it is something new I worry about, I wish I didn't - but I do.

I've tried to self medicate, I've tried counselling and I've tried prescribed medication. Nothing helps.

Just to put it into perspective how bad my health anxiety is, not so long ago, I was having heart palpitations - rang my GP who prescribed beta blockers except I didn't take them because I thought they would stop my heart.

I rang my GP about a deep throbbing pain, they suspected DVT, sent me for a chest x-ray except I didn't have one done but I was scared of radiation risks (even though I use a microwave and have been on aeroplanes) I spent hours researching into x-ray risks and possible side effects until finally I had an x-ray but then suffered with depression after because I though that the x-ray was going to kill me.

Those are just two examples of many. Unless you've experienced it, you will never know. I hate it, I wish it wasn't me and I don't understand it. It sounds ridiculous to most and a lot of people tend to laugh at me (I'm used to it now) but believe me it is severely draining.

With respect and said kindly OP - having read this update, you sound considerably mentally unwell. If you were a friend or relative, I'd be gently suggesting a request for a Mental Health evaluation.

Almostmenopausal

I’ve suffered health anxiety at the same level as the OP for 25 years and have tried many treatments, the OP could try other treatments certainly but a mental health evaluation is not required.

I’m not sure anyone IRL knows I suffer with this apart from my GP. In the 25 years of living with this I’ve raised 3 children, got a 1st class professional degree and have a very successful career, people with health anxiety are not mad they struggle in an area that unfortunately at the moment people have little sympathy for and think it’s fair game to give abuse to.

@userperuser

Almostmenopausal

I’ve suffered health anxiety at the same level as the OP for 25 years and have tried many treatments, the OP could try other treatments certainly but a mental health evaluation is not required.

I’m not sure anyone IRL knows I suffer with this apart from my GP. In the 25 years of living with this I’ve raised 3 children, got a 1st class professional degree and have a very successful career, people with health anxiety are not mad they struggle in an area that unfortunately at the moment people have little sympathy for and think it’s fair game to give abuse to.

I'm not saying that health anxiety needs MHS intervention in general. However OP's last update is extremely worrying. She describes herself in such a way that makes her sound slightly unstable mentally. In how she is refusing any kind of medical treatment and obsessively researching everything, ignoring Doctors. I'm not saying what my profession is/was but let's just say I know the signs. I'm concerned for OP. It was not a passive aggressive dig by any means.

Almostmenopausal

Fair enough, I have refused certain treatments in the past e.g. optional surgery for a minor very liveable ailment however, I have pushed through and received other treatments/procedures that I figured might make my anxiety worse if I didn’t have them. For a full 12 months before a smear test I worry daily about the results and in the time after the test to receiving the results I have a pretty miserable couple of weeks and when the letter arrives I’m hyperventilating opening it and nobody has any clue I go through this.

I have and will defend the OPs position as I know how horrendous it is and even if the OP were to decide to tackle the problem head on it may be some time before being in a place where they could actually receive it.

I would definitely look for help privately if need be with that level of hypochondria. I couldn't live like that.

Just get the vaccine and keep your job

I would you have a daughter to provide for
Plus they'll be travel restrictions too what if you want to go abroad on holiday or to a big organised event?

I'm not getting why people have this selfish attitude its beyond me

I'm not getting why people have this selfish attitude its beyond me.

It’s not about being selfish, it’s about being scared.

Such a lack of empathy on this thread.