I have to have the vaccine or I loose my job

[wingingmumlife]

I am absolutely prepared to get flamed for this but I am really worrying.

I am 22 year years old, healthy and unvaccinated (by choice).

I am not anti-vax, I have had every single vaccine from being a child to now and my daughter is up to date with all of hers too.

I work in dentistry and myself and 4 other colleagues have been told we have to be fully vaccinated by April 2022 otherwise, we lose our jobs.

I just can't believe it has come to this. I feel like my human rights have been taken away. I'm not a conspiracy theorist and I am a big believer in science but as a genuine question ... Can someone please tell me why this vaccine is being pushed so much to the point where soon we probably won't be able to even go into a restaurant without having this vaccine?

I have to wear AGP PPE every single day for every single patient but this still isn't enough?

I test myself every single day, but this still isn't enough?

Can someone please help it make sense to me? That is a genuine question.

Im not looking for an argument and I'm not wanting anyone to tell me "how stupid I am" I just want this to make sense.

For anyone wondering why I haven't had the vaccine - the main reason being, I have severe health anxiety, ironic I know since most would think I'd jump for the vaccine, but at the moment I'm more scared of this vaccine then I am of catching Covid itself.

I just feel sick to my stomach at the thought of not having a job unless I have this vaccine, it really doesn't sit well with me but everyone on here seems to be supporting it?

@userperuser

Badbadbunny

I really do hope his treatment is successful, but he did attend appointments before vaccines were available and no doubt would have continued to do so.

Those working in healthcare not wanting to have the vaccine at this time can easily be accommodated without putting the most vulnerable at risk.

He had no choice (if he wanted to live!) and the oncology dept had very strict protocols for protecting the vulnerable patients needing urgent chemotherapy, such as daily covid tests for the staff, and patients needing a negative covid test before every appointment.

You carried on as normal by getting any required healthcare

Except I didn't. Why are you making assumptions about what healthcare I did or did not access? I don't think I have mentioned anything?

@Claudethecat

You carried on as normal by getting any required healthcare

Except I didn't. Why are you making assumptions about what healthcare I did or did not access? I don't think I have mentioned anything?

When I asked if you did before vaccines you said you had no choice.

userperuser You asked: Were you ok with it before the vaccine because you would have been at far greater risk then?

I replied : We all had to be OK with it at that point, as there was no choice

I did not say whether or not I personally had to access healthcare before the vaccines we available.

Anyway, we are going round in circles, so I am bowing out now.

@Claudethecat

userperuser You asked: Were you ok with it before the vaccine because you would have been at far greater risk then?

I replied : We all had to be OK with it at that point, as there was no choice

I did not say whether or not I personally had to access healthcare before the vaccines we available.

Anyway, we are going round in circles, so I am bowing out now.

Why are you bowing out?

You also said you didn’t think that having the opinion that vaccines must be a requirement for healthcare was anxiety but if you have avoided healthcare for the sake of a virus with a reasonably low death rate that really is anxiety.

I haven't read the whole thread but just wanted to say to the OP just quit. It's not fair on your vaccinated colleagues to have to cover for you every time you get pinged to isolate as a close contact. Let them employ someone who is less likely to have isolations.

There are 10 us working in the practice @Sweetnhappy1 5 of us unvaccinated. My company is already begging for dental nurses, let's say all 5 leave - appointments WILL have to be cancelled for god knows how long.

My workplace itself has to cancel patients weekly due to a shortage of staff. So yeah, sounds like a great plan

I am bowing out because you keep making assumptions, the latest being that I have "avoided health care". You can't possibly know whether I accessed or even needed healthcare prior to or since the vaccine roll out.

You are giving me a headache though, so maybe I will need some healthcare soon

My post was to userperuser...

This is the first time a vaccine has been required by law.

Bollocks it is. There's a long history of mandatory vaccination. The 1853 Vaccination Act introduced compulsory infant vaccination. It wasn't exactly popular then either, but compulsion has existed almost since the start of vaccination and in many countries.

@Claudethecat

You carried on as normal by getting any required healthcare

Except I didn't. Why are you making assumptions about what healthcare I did or did not access? I don't think I have mentioned anything?

See your previous post no wonder you have a headache if you can’t provide an answer to a simple question.

During the pandemic 3 patients have got Covid from the dentist - 3
Not bad considering there’s over 25,000 dental practices in the U.K.

Many of which were closed, or only open for absolute emergencies, during lockdown.

And many patients chose to postpone non-essential dental check-ups and treatment, even after lockdown ended. I haven't been to the dentist in nearly 2 years. I know that's not ideal, and that when I do go back I'm likely to face some painful and expensive treatment that I wouldn't if I'd gone earlier; but I prefer it to risking Covid with possibly unvaccinated people spending up to an hour handling my mouth. If I had an agonizing toothache I'd go, but otherwise, not till at least I've had my booster! I'm sure there are plenty of others like me.

@wingingmumlife

There are 10 us working in the practice *@Sweetnhappy1* 5 of us unvaccinated. My company is already begging for dental nurses, let's say all 5 leave - appointments WILL have to be cancelled for god knows how long.

My workplace itself has to cancel patients weekly due to a shortage of staff. So yeah, sounds like a great plan

It's similar in the GP practice where I work. We have someone who won't get vaccinated and everyone else has to cover for her every time she has to isolate for a household member or a close contact. It'll be easier to advertise her job now. It will be difficult to recruit but we've got a few months to hopefully get someone and team them up and it will save a load of hassle in the long run.

*train them up not team them up

I work In dentistry. We have to be vaccinated against loads of things to work so why not this? Surprised you're not vaccinated, I work in a dental hospital and 99% of the clinical staff are vaccinated because they know it's the right thing to do

The thing is, at the moment we all have to isolate from work (hospital) if we have a close contact whether we are vaccinated or not, so that argument holds no weight with me.

A couple of weeks ago I read a good article (I think it was in the Independent). The journalist made an excellent point. They wouldn't put much trust in a healthcare setting with unvaccinated staff. If the HCP doesn't trust science and medicine (eg. vaccines), what kind of treatment will you get there.

You do you

Absolutely. People are free to refuse a life and health saving vaccine.

Equally employers are free to choose who to employ.

1000s a week are being killed by Covid.

1 in 6 of the Covid patients in ICU are unvaccinated pregnant women.

A significant number of people are long term sick with Long Covid.

Healthcare settings owe it to their patients - particularly (but not only) the vulnerable to mitigate against unnecessary risks.

There is a duty of care.

I don't believe that without a vaccine society would now have collapsed and millions would be dead. We'd have worked out a way to live with it just as mankind has with every disease for generations.

I know you've been given several examples of plagues throughout history which have indeed killed millions. To add to these, part of what made the 16th and 17th century invasion of the Americas by Europeans so devastating to the indigenous populations was the diseases they carried. Historically we lived in smaller groups and moved around more slowly, allowing us to develop herd immunities. Once we started moving greater distances at greater speeds we started to spread illnesses for which many populations had no immunity.

The results were catastrophic. Entire civilisations were destroyed due to diseases such as smallpox. It's bad enough when it's endemic but in new populations where it becomes epidemic then yes, it does change the course of history.

So we invented vaccines. Have the damn thing. Is it perfect? No. Is it better than the disease? Overall, yes.

@userperuser
“ it’s interesting considering the research on similar viral loads in both vaccinated and unvaccinated.”
Another non sequitur there, but everything I’ve seen says the vaccinated clear that viral load more quickly than the unvaccinated.

Anyway, OP, I hope you overcome your anxiety and get protected.

We'd have worked out a way to live with it just as mankind has with every disease for generations.

Well they didn't 'live with it' though. Many many died with it.

@Sweetnhappy1

I haven't read the whole thread but just wanted to say to the OP just quit. It's not fair on your vaccinated colleagues to have to cover for you every time you get pinged to isolate as a close contact. Let them employ someone who is less likely to have isolations.

Exactly this

@Tavelo

The most ironic thing is surely that real infection actually makes you more immune than any vaccine possibly could and many people will have had a real covid infection whether they know it (or ate unvaccinated) or not.

But this is ignored. Along with the benefits of vitamin d which, like the vaccine, also reduces the severity of the illness. Why is this ignored when there have been actual studies on these two aspects?

It is a totally new precedent and those suggesting otherwise are incorrect. This is the first time a vaccine has been required by law

@BungleandGeorge there have been compulsary vaccination acts in the past where you would end up in the sherriff court if you didnt comply.

@ddl1

*During the pandemic 3 patients have got Covid from the dentist - 3 Not bad considering there’s over 25,000 dental practices in the U.K.*

Many of which were closed, or only open for absolute emergencies, during lockdown.

And many patients chose to postpone non-essential dental check-ups and treatment, even after lockdown ended. I haven't been to the dentist in nearly 2 years. I know that's not ideal, and that when I do go back I'm likely to face some painful and expensive treatment that I wouldn't if I'd gone earlier; but I prefer it to risking Covid with possibly unvaccinated people spending up to an hour handling my mouth. If I had an agonizing toothache I'd go, but otherwise, not till at least I've had my booster! I'm sure there are plenty of others like me.

Exactly like you! If I knew my dentist was not vaccinated , I would walk away.