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I have to have the vaccine or I loose my job

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wingingmumlife · 16/11/2021 22:41

I am absolutely prepared to get flamed for this but I am really worrying.

I am 22 year years old, healthy and unvaccinated (by choice).

I am not anti-vax, I have had every single vaccine from being a child to now and my daughter is up to date with all of hers too.

I work in dentistry and myself and 4 other colleagues have been told we have to be fully vaccinated by April 2022 otherwise, we lose our jobs.

I just can't believe it has come to this. I feel like my human rights have been taken away. I'm not a conspiracy theorist and I am a big believer in science but as a genuine question ... Can someone please tell me why this vaccine is being pushed so much to the point where soon we probably won't be able to even go into a restaurant without having this vaccine?

I have to wear AGP PPE every single day for every single patient but this still isn't enough?

I test myself every single day, but this still isn't enough?

Can someone please help it make sense to me? That is a genuine question.

Im not looking for an argument and I'm not wanting anyone to tell me "how stupid I am" I just want this to make sense.

For anyone wondering why I haven't had the vaccine - the main reason being, I have severe health anxiety, ironic I know since most would think I'd jump for the vaccine, but at the moment I'm more scared of this vaccine then I am of catching Covid itself.

I just feel sick to my stomach at the thought of not having a job unless I have this vaccine, it really doesn't sit well with me but everyone on here seems to be supporting it?

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Tealightsandd · 17/11/2021 18:08

anxiety (especially health anxiety) is something you just can’t explain unless you’ve experienced it yourself.

Agreed. People with severe health anxiety have the right to know that healthcare staff (including dentistry) have taken all sensible precautions to protect their patients from a disease that kills and disables.

Because obviously, whilst people have a choice over whether or not to work in healthcare, patients don't have a choice when to need healthcare.

Health anxiety sufferers aside, some clinically vulnerable people do not get the same level of protection from vaccines as the rest of us do.

HCP have a duty of care to their vulnerable patients.

MissConductUS · 17/11/2021 18:16

Do you have a link for this? Not seen any research that the Delta variant is causing more serious illness amongst younger unvaccinated patients?

Delta variant has 235% higher risk of ICU admission than original virus

MrsJamPanMan · 17/11/2021 18:27

“ Risk of COVID-19 hospital admission was approximately doubled in those with the Delta VOC when compared to the Alpha VOC”
From
www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)01358-1/fulltext

userperuser · 17/11/2021 18:31

@MissConductUS

Do you have a link for this? Not seen any research that the Delta variant is causing more serious illness amongst younger unvaccinated patients?

Delta variant has 235% higher risk of ICU admission than original virus

Thanks for the link, it’s interesting considering the research on similar viral loads in both vaccinated and unvaccinated.

I’d like to see a breakdown in UK stats by age for ICU admissions by age and vaccination status.

ColinTheKoala · 17/11/2021 18:37

I choose NOT to be treated by, be attended by in close proximity with someone at a much greater risk of passing on something that - even double or triple jabbed - i could catch, and be ill with. It's my body, my health, my family, and my money. I won't be spending my money on any close personal service where that service is given by someone who is not vaccinated

but how do you know? I went to the dentist today, I wouldn't dream of asking if they are all vaccinated.

Tavelo · 17/11/2021 18:39

The most ironic thing is surely that real infection actually makes you more immune than any vaccine possibly could and many people will have had a real covid infection whether they know it (or ate unvaccinated) or not.

userperuser · 17/11/2021 18:42

I choose NOT to be treated by, be attended by in close proximity with someone at a much greater risk of passing on something that - even double or triple jabbed - i could catch, and be ill with. It's my body, my health, my family, and my money. I won't be spending my money on any close personal service where that service is given by someone who is not vaccinated

Were you ok with it before the vaccine because you would have been at far greater risk then?

Did you just avoid anything that required outside human contact including medical care?

merrymouse · 17/11/2021 18:46

@Tavelo

The most ironic thing is surely that real infection actually makes you more immune than any vaccine possibly could and many people will have had a real covid infection whether they know it (or ate unvaccinated) or not.
No, vaccination is more effective than natural immunity.

www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/11/01/what-works-better-vaccines-or-natural-immunity/

Badbadbunny · 17/11/2021 18:54

@ColinTheKoala

I choose NOT to be treated by, be attended by in close proximity with someone at a much greater risk of passing on something that - even double or triple jabbed - i could catch, and be ill with. It's my body, my health, my family, and my money. I won't be spending my money on any close personal service where that service is given by someone who is not vaccinated

but how do you know? I went to the dentist today, I wouldn't dream of asking if they are all vaccinated.

Why wouldn't you ask? My OH is ECV (blood cancer) and needed an opticians appointment for new glasses. He asked the receptionist to confirm that the optician and fitter were double jabbed and the receptionist was happy to confirm that they were. There's no way he'd have risked going to that optician if they weren't.
MummyPop00 · 17/11/2021 19:10

Job or Jab? Outrageous position to be in imho.

Gibraltar almost 100% vaxxed, 40% boosted, cases rising there.

It’s nonsense. You do you.

userperuser · 17/11/2021 19:16

Badbadbunny

Same question as to pp, did your DH avoid healthcare before the vaccine when it was far riskier? If not vaccines had become available for a few years would he have avoided it?

Claudethecat · 17/11/2021 19:18

Were you ok with it before the vaccine because you would have been at far greater risk then?

We all had to be OK with it at that point, as there was no choice.

It’s nonsense. You do you

I think you win the thread MummyPop00 with this fabulous, elegant and well thought out solution.

userperuser · 17/11/2021 19:21

@Claudethecat

Were you ok with it before the vaccine because you would have been at far greater risk then?

We all had to be OK with it at that point, as there was no choice.

It’s nonsense. You do you

I think you win the thread MummyPop00 with this fabulous, elegant and well thought out solution.

So if you had to be ok with it I presume you assumed the risk? Seems like the only change then is your attitude.
Badbadbunny · 17/11/2021 19:30

@userperuser

Badbadbunny

Same question as to pp, did your DH avoid healthcare before the vaccine when it was far riskier? If not vaccines had become available for a few years would he have avoided it?

Yes, he only went to essential hospital appointments, i.e. for his chemotherapy, and had already spent months being unable to read or drive due to his eyesight being affected by the chemotherapy. He delayed going to the optician because of the risks of being in close proximity to other people before they were vaccinated, likewise he delayed dental treatment.
userperuser · 17/11/2021 19:39

Badbadbunny

I really do hope his treatment is successful, but he did attend appointments before vaccines were available and no doubt would have continued to do so.

Those working in healthcare not wanting to have the vaccine at this time can easily be accommodated without putting the most vulnerable at risk.

questionsneverstop · 17/11/2021 19:39

@MummyPop00

Job or Jab? Outrageous position to be in imho.

Gibraltar almost 100% vaxxed, 40% boosted, cases rising there.

It’s nonsense. You do you.

I find it nonsensical to take Gibraltar as an example. It has 33 thousand habitants. We have 68 million. We need a bigger comparison. Having said that, they have zero deaths at the moment so the vaccine is working excellently
Claudethecat · 17/11/2021 19:39

userperuser well any sane person would mitigate risks as much as possible using all the resources available at the time of whatever treatment they are having. Those resources now include vaccinations.

userperuser · 17/11/2021 19:46

Claudethecat

It’s not the plague and you carried on as normal before.

The OP has been slated over and over on this thread due to suffering anxiety and how ironic that posters cannot see that the extreme measures they are supporting are for the very same reasons.

Claudethecat · 17/11/2021 19:53

It’s not the plague and you carried on as normal before

Before what? If you mean before the vaccines became available, well I didn't carry on as normal. None of us did because there were lots more restrictions in place.

Kikkomam · 17/11/2021 19:54

It’s not the plague and you carried on as normal before

Normal?! Wtaf.

questionsneverstop · 17/11/2021 19:56

twitter.com/giacomogorini/status/1461043825930035206?s=21

Pictures like this one should remind us why we must vaccinate

Claudethecat · 17/11/2021 19:56

I don't think being of the opinion that vaccines are needed is a symptom of health anxiety. It is a symptom of us all being caught up in a pandemic featuring a novel virus.

userperuser · 17/11/2021 19:57

@Claudethecat

It’s not the plague and you carried on as normal before

Before what? If you mean before the vaccines became available, well I didn't carry on as normal. None of us did because there were lots more restrictions in place.

You carried on as normal by getting any required healthcare.
questionsneverstop · 17/11/2021 20:01

I haven’t been going to the dentist until may 2021, one month after I had my first vaccine.

DameMaureen · 17/11/2021 20:02

@ColinTheKoala

I choose NOT to be treated by, be attended by in close proximity with someone at a much greater risk of passing on something that - even double or triple jabbed - i could catch, and be ill with. It's my body, my health, my family, and my money. I won't be spending my money on any close personal service where that service is given by someone who is not vaccinated

but how do you know? I went to the dentist today, I wouldn't dream of asking if they are all vaccinated.

You ask them what their covid standards are that they have in place . It's very easy .