I have to have the vaccine or I loose my job

[wingingmumlife]

I am absolutely prepared to get flamed for this but I am really worrying.

I am 22 year years old, healthy and unvaccinated (by choice).

I am not anti-vax, I have had every single vaccine from being a child to now and my daughter is up to date with all of hers too.

I work in dentistry and myself and 4 other colleagues have been told we have to be fully vaccinated by April 2022 otherwise, we lose our jobs.

I just can't believe it has come to this. I feel like my human rights have been taken away. I'm not a conspiracy theorist and I am a big believer in science but as a genuine question ... Can someone please tell me why this vaccine is being pushed so much to the point where soon we probably won't be able to even go into a restaurant without having this vaccine?

I have to wear AGP PPE every single day for every single patient but this still isn't enough?

I test myself every single day, but this still isn't enough?

Can someone please help it make sense to me? That is a genuine question.

Im not looking for an argument and I'm not wanting anyone to tell me "how stupid I am" I just want this to make sense.

For anyone wondering why I haven't had the vaccine - the main reason being, I have severe health anxiety, ironic I know since most would think I'd jump for the vaccine, but at the moment I'm more scared of this vaccine then I am of catching Covid itself.

I just feel sick to my stomach at the thought of not having a job unless I have this vaccine, it really doesn't sit well with me but everyone on here seems to be supporting it?

But where’s the risk? If you’ve had your vaccine, what’s the problem if I’m your dental nurse and not vaccinated? Your dentist is vaccinated and so doesn’t test for covid anymore unless symptomatic, she doesn’t even have to isolate for being in contact with the covid positive receptionist. But me, your dental nurse, tests negative before coming to work everyday.

It really Isn’t that simple @riveted1

Well, it’s ether that or sit around with no job and no income.

Your choice.

How very lucky are the folk on this thread who have clearly never experienced a crippling anxiety. Dick heads

But where’s the risk? If you’ve had your vaccine, what’s the problem if I’m your dental nurse and not vaccinated

That's quite selfish.

@wingingmumlife

The vaccine significantly reduces your chance of getting COVID, but if you do it vastly reduces your chance of being very sick with Covid & hugely reduces you chance of dying with it. The less sick you get with it, the less likely you are to pass it on.

Your PP HELPS, it doesn't eliminate the chance of you getting it or passing it on.

I'm triple vax'd but have underlying health conditions and one of them is that I'm diabetic. A huge %age of people who have died of Covid had diabetes - it's a massive risk factor. I really don't want people who are not vaxed breathing on me, touching things that are going in my mouth etc. Plus children, even more vulnerable adults for whom the vaccine isn't so effective etc

Same with other NHS staff.

What is it about the vaccine that's worrying you?

The reason it's being 'pushed' is because a lot of people are going into hospital & dying. That's bad fir their families, prevents the NHS providing healthcare for other things & screws the education & economy of the country. Plus obviously travel & tourism.

The govt needs the economy to recover, the more people who are vaccinated the quicker that'll happen.

You will have to find a job where having the vaccine isn't compulsory.

@eandz13

How very lucky are the folk on this thread who have clearly never experienced a crippling anxiety. Dick heads

This. Am rapidly losing all faith in humanity tbh.

@Embracelife

Option 3, seek treatment for your anxiety

That's what I was going to say. Regardless of choices 1 & 2, get some support for this anxiety.

I'm not really sure what the point of your post is unless you're trying to prompt some conspiracy theories (which I see have started). It won't help. So, get the jab, or don't get the jab and face the consequences. But don't go looking for some ridiculous deeper meaning.

Oh, also, if you're so worried about the winter period, get the jab now 🤷🏻‍♀️

@ChildrenGrowingUpTooFast no one is forcing me to have the vaccine?

Tell me then, when is this going to end? I take it you've had both vaccines? I'm sure it was on the news the other day that those who have had both vaccines will be classed as unvaccinated until they've had their booster jab? Then what? That expires so you have to have another, then another, then another... You get my point.

You say no one is forcing me to have the vaccine but I already can't go to certain places unless I've had it. Look at Dublin, Ireland, you can't do anything over there unless you've had both vaccines. Want to visit a restaurant? Have to have had both vaccines. Want to visit a cinema? Have to have had both vaccines? Want to go into a supermarket? Have to have had both vaccines. That will happen here, then try and tell me no one is forcing me to have the vaccine. Come off it, seriously.

I have worked all through the pandemic from the very start, through the peak, with no vaccine and now I'm being told I will loose my job and have to choose between putting food on the table for me and my daughter or I can have the vaccine and this will all go away, except it won't. I'm pretty sure you would have been happy to have received medical care by someone unvaccinated last year right? But any how, you've had your vaccine, if you trust it so much then why you so bothered if I've had it or not? It protects you right? I'm putting myself at risk by choosing not to have the vaccine. I've chose not to have the vaccine due to my health anxiety. That's my choice. It should be MY choice.

For a virus with a high survival rate (especially for people my age) we should be able to make that choice wether or not we want to have it.

If it REALLY is about health then why is there no accounting for natural immunity? Chris Whitty himself has been quoted saying natural immunity is superior! Peer reviewed scientific studies have shown people retained antibodies from a strain of SARS 19 years ago!

I caught Covid BEFORE the vaccination was developed. Felt a bit wretched for a few days but other than that - all good. I was not a burden to the NHS - I had no contact with them beyond getting my text message from my PCR test stating it was positive.

I appreciate that I can, potentially, catch Covid again. However am I scared? Absolutely not. Am I willing to take a jab developed by companies who have been exempted from liability if I suffer any ill effects? No thanks. Given the choice - I'd gladly take another dose of Covid over the so called "vaccine".

This country is becoming shockingly totalitarian and a whole bunch of people seem to be happy about it.

@Lostinacloud

But where’s the risk? If you’ve had your vaccine, what’s the problem if I’m your dental nurse and not vaccinated? Your dentist is vaccinated and so doesn’t test for covid anymore unless symptomatic, she doesn’t even have to isolate for being in contact with the covid positive receptionist. But me, your dental nurse, tests negative before coming to work everyday.

It really Isn’t that simple @riveted1

You claim it doesn't make sense as vaccines don't "stop spread", despite it being repeatedly explained that they reduce it. This is why healthcare staff being vaccinated will make a difference to the patients they treat.

There will be less transmision and therefore risk to patients in dental surgeries where all staff are vaccinated, in comparison to those where they are not.

I'm not sure why you're throwing testing into it when the OP hasn't stated whether she does this or if it will only be a requirement for unvaccinated staff? All you're doing is attempting to muddy the waters...

@ChardonnaysPetDragon health anxiety works in mysterious ways, I wish I knew the answer to that one.

OP, you obviously think you should be able to keep your job even if you refuse to be vaccinated, so how do you see that working in practice?

Do you think the practice should tell patients in advance that they will be treated by an unvaccinated dental nurse? And do you think patients should have the right to refuse not to be treated by you?

[quote wingingmumlife]@ChildrenGrowingUpTooFast no one is forcing me to have the vaccine?

Tell me then, when is this going to end? I take it you've had both vaccines? I'm sure it was on the news the other day that those who have had both vaccines will be classed as unvaccinated until they've had their booster jab? Then what? That expires so you have to have another, then another, then another... You get my point.

You say no one is forcing me to have the vaccine but I already can't go to certain places unless I've had it. Look at Dublin, Ireland, you can't do anything over there unless you've had both vaccines. Want to visit a restaurant? Have to have had both vaccines. Want to visit a cinema? Have to have had both vaccines? Want to go into a supermarket? Have to have had both vaccines. That will happen here, then try and tell me no one is forcing me to have the vaccine. Come off it, seriously.

I have worked all through the pandemic from the very start, through the peak, with no vaccine and now I'm being told I will loose my job and have to choose between putting food on the table for me and my daughter or I can have the vaccine and this will all go away, except it won't. I'm pretty sure you would have been happy to have received medical care by someone unvaccinated last year right? But any how, you've had your vaccine, if you trust it so much then why you so bothered if I've had it or not? It protects you right? I'm putting myself at risk by choosing not to have the vaccine. I've chose not to have the vaccine due to my health anxiety. That's my choice. It should be MY choice.

For a virus with a high survival rate (especially for people my age) we should be able to make that choice wether or not we want to have it. [/quote]
Just have the vaccine maybe?

Am rapidly losing all faith in humanity tbh.

What exactly do you want to happen to regain your faith again? Lockdowns to protect your choice not to get vaccinated?

You say you are more scared of the vaccine than you are of catching covid. Using the same logic, are you more scared of having the vaccine or being unemployed?
You have the vaccine not only to stop yourself catching covid to but to help stop you passing it on to others, because in basic terms, if you less likely to catch it then you are less likely to pass it on. Just the same as measles, mumps, polio, diphtheria, and so on, that you say you have been vaccinated against and made sure your daughter was too. It's not just about you. You won't be testing every day forever.
I feel like my human rights have been taken away. Seriously? Get over it. Your human right to what exactly? To be alive?

so called "vaccine"

Jesus wept.

I'm putting myself at risk by choosing not to have the vaccine. I've chose not to have the vaccine due to my health anxiety. That's my choice. It should be MY choice.For a virus with a high survival rate (especially for people my age) we should be able to make that choice wether or not we want to have it.

You should not have the vaccine if you do not want, nor should you be coerced into having it @wingingmumlife

But equally it is a requirement for healthcare staff to be immunised against relevant communicable diseases, and there is a strong rationale for this vaccine to be included in those required for those with close patient contact.

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The "sense" that it makes is on a community level, not individual. The vaccine is there to protect the community, because of how virulent it is and the number of people that would end up in hospital, overloading the medical system.

As an individual, you can normally take a number of risks for yourself, but there are always limits. You can't drive on the opposite side of the road, you have to wear seat belts, you have to take a certain level of care of your children or you will be found guilty of neglect, etc.

We have always had rules imposed on our behaviour when they have quantifiable potential negative impacts on the greater community. The requirements to have the Covid vaccination is merely one of them.

You should take the vaccine. It's better for you and everyone else. In your case, with health anxiety, I'd be more worried about long Covid. Hell I am worried about that anyway. Imagine still having aches and pains and no energy, being out of breath, with everything tasting like sewage, months after you caught Covid. The vaccine is nothing compared to that.

It’s not just about survival OP. Long covid is also a very real problem and have a very serious impact on your life. Being unvaccinated makes it far more likely you will pass covid onto others

@ChardonnaysPetDragon

Am rapidly losing all faith in humanity tbh.

What exactly do you want to happen to regain your faith again? Lockdowns to protect your choice not to get vaccinated?

Why would I have the answer to such a massive question?

Even if people in health care could continue to work in their existing job unvaccinated, it will be mandatory for new starters.

So any promotion, transfer, new practice, hospital etc will mean they can require you to adhere to the terms of the new contract.

Even wanting to change contracted hours will mean you have to start a new contract. It's how the NHS pushed us all into agenda for change contracts.

You are free to refuse the jab.
Your employer is free to not employ anyone who won't take the jab.