I have to have the vaccine or I loose my job

[wingingmumlife]

I am absolutely prepared to get flamed for this but I am really worrying.

I am 22 year years old, healthy and unvaccinated (by choice).

I am not anti-vax, I have had every single vaccine from being a child to now and my daughter is up to date with all of hers too.

I work in dentistry and myself and 4 other colleagues have been told we have to be fully vaccinated by April 2022 otherwise, we lose our jobs.

I just can't believe it has come to this. I feel like my human rights have been taken away. I'm not a conspiracy theorist and I am a big believer in science but as a genuine question ... Can someone please tell me why this vaccine is being pushed so much to the point where soon we probably won't be able to even go into a restaurant without having this vaccine?

I have to wear AGP PPE every single day for every single patient but this still isn't enough?

I test myself every single day, but this still isn't enough?

Can someone please help it make sense to me? That is a genuine question.

Im not looking for an argument and I'm not wanting anyone to tell me "how stupid I am" I just want this to make sense.

For anyone wondering why I haven't had the vaccine - the main reason being, I have severe health anxiety, ironic I know since most would think I'd jump for the vaccine, but at the moment I'm more scared of this vaccine then I am of catching Covid itself.

I just feel sick to my stomach at the thought of not having a job unless I have this vaccine, it really doesn't sit well with me but everyone on here seems to be supporting it?

Nobody seems to be talking about antibody testing and why this isn’t an option. Many people are immune and don’t need a vaccine.

For the sake of your mental health I would just leave op.

As it stands my options are:
1. Have the vaccine but knowing me I would be at the doctors everyday with a new symptom thinking I'm going to die.
2. Don't have the vaccine, but lose my job and risk losing my health and/or life

Fixed that for you.

@User3443525643 Very well said.

What about lockdown. That was the removal of civil liberties.

[quote wingingmumlife]@ChildrenGrowingUpTooFast no one is forcing me to have the vaccine?

Tell me then, when is this going to end? I take it you've had both vaccines? I'm sure it was on the news the other day that those who have had both vaccines will be classed as unvaccinated until they've had their booster jab? Then what? That expires so you have to have another, then another, then another... You get my point.

You say no one is forcing me to have the vaccine but I already can't go to certain places unless I've had it. Look at Dublin, Ireland, you can't do anything over there unless you've had both vaccines. Want to visit a restaurant? Have to have had both vaccines. Want to visit a cinema? Have to have had both vaccines? Want to go into a supermarket? Have to have had both vaccines. That will happen here, then try and tell me no one is forcing me to have the vaccine. Come off it, seriously.

I have worked all through the pandemic from the very start, through the peak, with no vaccine and now I'm being told I will loose my job and have to choose between putting food on the table for me and my daughter or I can have the vaccine and this will all go away, except it won't. I'm pretty sure you would have been happy to have received medical care by someone unvaccinated last year right? But any how, you've had your vaccine, if you trust it so much then why you so bothered if I've had it or not? It protects you right? I'm putting myself at risk by choosing not to have the vaccine. I've chose not to have the vaccine due to my health anxiety. That's my choice. It should be MY choice.

For a virus with a high survival rate (especially for people my age) we should be able to make that choice wether or not we want to have it. [/quote]
Its still your choice...but with that choice comes consequences....you will ultimately make a decision ..... I work in the NHS.... already those who had made a decision not to be vaccinated are now saying they will have the jab in April ..... they are choosing this because they have bills to pay and children to feed and they would be leaving good careers with good benefits. I imagine you are in a similar position and will also consider the impact of your decision jot only on you but also on your child

OP, I feel sorry about your health anxiety and it sounds like a nightmare. But the government is not going to backtrack on this. Even if every single Mumsnet user said they agree with you, that is not going to make the government backtrack on this. The rules we have in the UK are so light touch compared to our European counterparts i.e. lockdown for the unvaccinated, barring the unvaccinated from common spaces like restaurants.

You need to get vaccinated or lose your job. My MIL was an anti vaxxer before the pandemic , she didn't let any of her children get their childhood vaccines, my DH had to get his behind her back. But she is fully vaccinated because she was pragmatic and knew she couldn't realistically see her aged father who lives abroad unless she gets vaccinated. She is reluctant to get her third vaccine (despite being over 50) but I told her it's quite likely that the UK government would change the definition not fully vaccinated to someone who has 3 jabs just like in France. So she would probably get vaccinated once that happens.

@MarbleQueen

Nobody seems to be talking about antibody testing and why this isn’t an option. Many people are immune and don’t need a vaccine.

For the sake of your mental health I would just leave op.

No-one is "immune".

@GeorgiaGirl52

Every time I see a headline: You Tube Antivaxxer Age 23 Dies of Covid or Antivaxxer Parents Die One Day Apart, Leaving Four Orphan Children a part of me thinks how sad it is and another part of me thinks serves them right. Maybe the only way to achieve maximum vaccination rates is to let the anti-vaxxers die off through "herd contagion". But then I feel sad for all the orphaned children.

1. You're a psycho
2. Considering the mortality rate averages at around 1%, not forgetting that includes fucking thousands of deaths counted 'with' rather than 'of', I think the staggering majority of unvaccinated would live on to parent their children.

So don't be too sad

I agree with what PPs said (with a helpful link or two) about how the vaccine not only reduced the risk of hospitalisation/death/severe symptoms but also reduces the risk of transmission. It's due to the vaccine that, though, numbers of infections skyrocketed again this last few months, numbers of deaths only went up a bit.
If more people were vaccinated, there would be even fewer deaths, less need for contingency planning by the NHS, fewer cancelled operations...

As somebody who also suffers from anxiety, I do sympathise, but I'd urge you to look further for ways to mitigate your anxiety, get the vaccine, keep your job and trust the mainstream science.

No-one is "immune"

The government seem pretty convinced. Why else would they issue a covid pass for 6 months to anyone who registers a positive pcr test which means they can travel and everything else.

I can assure you people in Ireland do not have to be vaccinated to shop in a supermarket.

A dental practice in our local NHS area was identified as a source of a small COVID outbreak and was told to close. It received a lot of negative coverage in the local press. So even when you think all precautions are being taken there is still a risk, I would agree that everyone in a dental practice should be encouraged to have the vaccine.

I do realise that @ollyollyoxenfree but a very high percentage of the population is already vaccinated and the link between cases and deaths is broken. However, the high vaccination rates across quite a large number of countries does not seem to be doing anything to stop the pandemic so I’m sorry but i just can’t go on believing that vaccination for herd immunity is the answer. Vaccination for personal protection, fine, but due to its failure to impact the pandemic enough, it should remain a choice without penalty.
Co Waterford in Ireland and Gibraltar are the examples to note. Both quoted as two of the most vaccinated places in the world and two places also experiencing record high case numbers.

@MarbleQueen

No-one is "immune"

The government seem pretty convinced. Why else would they issue a covid pass for 6 months to anyone who registers a positive pcr test which means they can travel and everything else.

That's not immunity. It's some level of anti bodies.

I'm so sorry you have this crippling anxiety @wingingmumlife. I have phobias, and nothing in the world would make me face them willingly. Except if they were likely to kill me, I would. Or my DC or my loved ones. Then I'd face them. Whatever it took.

I wouldn't go to a dentist - or any other healthcare provider - that had unvaccinated staff. I just couldn't. Their service has to be to make life better, not riskier.

I wish I could hold your hand and take you for the vaccine. It truly was a big nothing, and I've had both and the booster. But that doesn't help, does it.

I hope you find resolution that you can live with, and that you keep safe.

@shockedNeighbour

If it REALLY is about health then why is there no accounting for natural immunity? Chris Whitty himself has been quoted saying natural immunity is superior! Peer reviewed scientific studies have shown people retained antibodies from a strain of SARS 19 years ago!

I caught Covid BEFORE the vaccination was developed. Felt a bit wretched for a few days but other than that - all good. I was not a burden to the NHS - I had no contact with them beyond getting my text message from my PCR test stating it was positive.

I appreciate that I can, potentially, catch Covid again. However am I scared? Absolutely not. Am I willing to take a jab developed by companies who have been exempted from liability if I suffer any ill effects? No thanks. Given the choice - I'd gladly take another dose of Covid over the so called "vaccine".

This country is becoming shockingly totalitarian and a whole bunch of people seem to be happy about it.

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I'm putting myself at risk by choosing not to have the vaccine. I've chose not to have the vaccine due to my health anxiety. That's my choice. It should be MY choice.

No, you are putting others at risk, also. Anyway, it seems your choice is to lose your job.

Many people with health anxiety have managed to get themselves vaccinated.

I feel for you op 💐 I do not support mandatory vaccination and believe in informed consent. There are many NHS workers who feel the way you do.
Take a look at NHS100K.com

That's not immunity. It's some level of anti bodies

Whatever it is it’s good enough to be given a covid pass. People should have this option.

It's over in a second and could save not only your life but others too.

I do wish people would stop assuming that the only issue anybody not wanting the vaccine could possibly have is needle-phobia.

It's the same principle as telling anybody who is seriously concerned about the wisdom of acting on financial advice/suggestions that they've received that it's all fine, because it's so quick and easy to press one simple button, to confirm the transfer of however many thousands of pounds, and then any possible worries are magically over.

*Many people with health anxiety have managed to get themselves vaccinated
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And many have not, because anxiety is not a one size fits all.

One of the vaccines cant remember which makes it 65%less likely that you will contract covid that also reduces the spread also milder symptoms if you do catch it = less pressure on the nhs

@milkyaqua

I'm putting myself at risk by choosing not to have the vaccine. I've chose not to have the vaccine due to my health anxiety. That's my choice. It should be MY choice.

No, you are putting others at risk, also. Anyway, it seems your choice is to lose your job.

Many people with health anxiety have managed to get themselves vaccinated.

ODFOD

I have not had the vaccine due to severe needle/medical phobia.
It would put my mental health and criminal record at risk to try and get the vaccine. And also all the staff too.

If anyone with any sort of anxiety has managed to get the vaccine, then bully for them. There are a lot of us that have not got to that point.

OP I agree with you 100%. Good luck with whatever you decide to do, but don't let anyone push or bully you into anything you don't want to do.

In the absence of compelling scientific data as to why its being made compulsory, you have to conclude its a political decision.

The NHS had large numbers of staff off with Covid symptoms and with staff vacancies already too high, over stretched etc. Someone has done the calculation that the vaccine can reduce staff absence at a cost saving of X, which is still a saving even after the cost of vaccinating the non vaccinated.

That's my unverified opinion.