I have to have the vaccine or I loose my job

[wingingmumlife]

I am absolutely prepared to get flamed for this but I am really worrying.

I am 22 year years old, healthy and unvaccinated (by choice).

I am not anti-vax, I have had every single vaccine from being a child to now and my daughter is up to date with all of hers too.

I work in dentistry and myself and 4 other colleagues have been told we have to be fully vaccinated by April 2022 otherwise, we lose our jobs.

I just can't believe it has come to this. I feel like my human rights have been taken away. I'm not a conspiracy theorist and I am a big believer in science but as a genuine question ... Can someone please tell me why this vaccine is being pushed so much to the point where soon we probably won't be able to even go into a restaurant without having this vaccine?

I have to wear AGP PPE every single day for every single patient but this still isn't enough?

I test myself every single day, but this still isn't enough?

Can someone please help it make sense to me? That is a genuine question.

Im not looking for an argument and I'm not wanting anyone to tell me "how stupid I am" I just want this to make sense.

For anyone wondering why I haven't had the vaccine - the main reason being, I have severe health anxiety, ironic I know since most would think I'd jump for the vaccine, but at the moment I'm more scared of this vaccine then I am of catching Covid itself.

I just feel sick to my stomach at the thought of not having a job unless I have this vaccine, it really doesn't sit well with me but everyone on here seems to be supporting it?

Apparently the vaccine doesn't have much of an effect on transmission but is good for preventing serious illness from the virus. I don't think employers should be able to dictate what medical procedures their employees have in any case.

As a former lecturer in dental nursing, I'm amazed at your health phobia. You have to work on a daily basis with patients with dental phobia. You know that their fears are unfounded, but something in the past has triggered them.

Gosh I am so pleased to hear this. My dentist is great - and vaccinated (she told me!) but I'd be anxious if she wasn't. I'm so glad that dentists and dentistry staff have to be vaccinated.

Sorry you have to get another job, that's the consequences of your choice.

Seeing as we now know the vaccine doesn’t prevent transmission … I’ve fallen out of love with it personally.

It reduces transmission.

People are dying from HAVING the vaccine though maybe fewer than those who wind up with Covid.

I'm not sure if your post is serious, but the chances of dying as a direct result of having had the vaccine are very, very, very low.

I am 'half' vaccinated in that I had the first but it messed up my menstrual cycle for a few months and I found out that it a common side effect that wasn't disclosed to me at the time of getting the first vaccine. So I decided not to get the second and may face similar issues with work as the OP.

mam0918

It's because unvaccinated people allow the virus to contu=inue to spread unchallenged and thus mutate developing immunity to the vaccine which renders the whole vaccine useless for everyone over time - it's the most basic of evolutionary science.

I didn’t know this. I’ve never read that anywhere. If that is the main reason then the message isn’t getting through. Can you explain a bit more about where that information has come from please?

I think it’s really important that we all understand government decisions and the rationale behind them.

I’ve had both vaccines and will have the booster. Not for me but as a responsibility to others, however, I don’t think it should be forced on people.

[quote ColinTheKoala]@Finknottlesnewt your "friend" could have given it to you even if she'd been vaccinated, especially if she had the AZ vaccine where the protection can wane more quickly.[/quote]
Only she would have been 62% less likely to... she could also have told me that she had decided to take this stance and I could've prevented her coming to MY HOME !!

Sorry . NO EXCUSE !! How many people did she cough on during the bus drive over to me. ? Because she doesn't wear a mask.. as 'it's not the law' ?

Pretty sure the reckless endangerment of someone else's life IS AGAINST 'the law '.

This is a PUBLIC Health issue. Not a personal issue. It is EVERYONES responsibility to do the very most they are able to do to prevent the spread.

Posted too soon. You need to get help now so that you can get the vaccine in time to continue with your career. You will lose the opportunity to progress to being a hygienist or a therapist. What other career path can you take unvaccinated? Please get counselling or hypnotherapy. Your fears will impinge on your life in so many ways.

So those who agree with mandatory vaccination accept there’s a ‘tiny’ risk of death so the collateral damage is acceptable to protect them as they have no faith in the ability of said vaccine.

Sounds legit.

@Timeforwinterclothes

As a former lecturer in dental nursing, I'm amazed at your health phobia. You have to work on a daily basis with patients with dental phobia. You know that their fears are unfounded, but something in the past has triggered them.

Knowledge of it doesn't mean you can be in control of it or rationalise it. I was extremely aware when I had anxiety, it doesn't mean I could stop it. Your post just says you know nothing about how anxiety and phobias work.

For people saying facepalm healthy people can pass it on to people who can get very ill... they are all vaccinated now and the ones who cant well, sorry but what can we do even if we all were vaccinated IT DOESNT STOP transmission even the adverts say this!
Healthy people should be left to decide what they do! If I have a heavy cold I stay away from people and Id do the same with covid! We cant keep doing this. We arnt bad people for not getting vaccinated! I have a great immune system and I dont want some jab making me feel like shit thanks!

Many countries are now taking the position of having lockdown solely for the unvaccinated in order to protect health services.

Anti-vaxxers were very vocal in telling those they put at risk to remain in isolation indefinitely. The CEV do not 'choose' to be vulnerable.

[quote howdiditcometothis666]@CJsGoldfish 4 people in Scotland have died from the vaccine (up to August) so yes there are downsides to it.
So I can totally understand why someone might find it difficult to take themselves to a vaccine centre and physically have a vaccine that might kill them. No matter how small the risk. I do not think it is my right or the Govt's right to demand that they do it.[/quote]
That makes no sense. 4 people ? against god knows how many have died a gruesome lonely death. ?

Do these people who are so scared of ANY possible side effect not take the Pill ? HRT ? Aspirin, ibuprofens, naproxen ?

They ALL carry more risk of death and there have been a considerable greater loss of life than 6...

Your argument is baseless and just selfish .

@frazzledali

Gosh I am so pleased to hear this. My dentist is great - and vaccinated (she told me!) but I'd be anxious if she wasn't. I'm so glad that dentists and dentistry staff have to be vaccinated.

Sorry you have to get another job, that's the consequences of your choice.

You've had your vaccines right? All 2, 3, 4, whatever many we are now being told to have. So you've taken responsibility for your own health, yes? You have faith in these vaccines to "protect" you. Yet you would be anxious if someone hadn't had theirs? Surely you're triple dose means you don't need to be 'anxious' about the medical decisions other people choose to make for their own bodies?

@Suspiciousmind20

mam0918

It's because unvaccinated people allow the virus to contu=inue to spread unchallenged and thus mutate developing immunity to the vaccine which renders the whole vaccine useless for everyone over time - it's the most basic of evolutionary science.

I didn’t know this. I’ve never read that anywhere. If that is the main reason then the message isn’t getting through. Can you explain a bit more about where that information has come from please?

I think it’s really important that we all understand government decisions and the rationale behind them.

I’ve had both vaccines and will have the booster. Not for me but as a responsibility to others, however, I don’t think it should be forced on people.

Ray stresses that both vaccination and human behavior are important. “It is striking to note that the majority of COVID-19 deaths are now occurring in unvaccinated people, even when most adults in the USA have been vaccinated,” he says.

“The more people who are unvaccinated and infected, the more chances there are for mutations to occur. Limiting the spread of the virus through maintaining COVID-19 safeguards (mask wearing, physical distancing, practicing hand hygiene and getting vaccinated) gives the virus fewer chances to change. It also reduces the spread of more infectious variants, if they do occur.

www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/coronavirus/a-new-strain-of-coronavirus-what-you-should-know

I had a fair amount of sympathy for mandatory vaccination for certain professions (mostly those caring for the elderly or critically ill) at the start of 2021 when often even one jab seemed to stop Covid in its tracks. I did have civil liberties worried about it but the positives seemed pretty compelling for those that worked with particularly at risk groups (personally I couldn’t care less if my hairdresser or cleaner etc is vaccinated but I get that it’s a different story if you’re 90 with heart problems.)

Now with Delta, I’m struggling to see the point. I know it can reduce transmission but in the real world that reduction seems fairly minimal.. how can that be enough to warrant something that is so extreme.
The vaccine obviously still seems incredibly effective in reducing hospital admissions and deaths, which really is what we need it to do anyway, but it changes things a lot. For the most part, people should be getting the vaccine for their own protection now only. When I got the vaccine I’d already had Covid, so had half of my friends, and it had been incredibly minor. I got the vaccine primarily for my parents and grandparents etc. how much of a reassurance is me being vaccinated though at this point?

I find it wild that people are still asking 'genuine questions' like this almost 2 years into a pandemic. Why is a vaccine that reduces transmission, hospitalisation and death being pushed in a pandemic? And this is a genuine question? Wtf is wrong with people confused

I find it helps to deal with this the way you would deal with a toddler. Same level of understanding and the same levels of entitlement as well. Me, me, meeeeee!

OP I'm one of the people who can't have the second vaccine because of the severity of reaction that I had to the first, so I completely understand your concern. I've also had long covid twice so I've had the opportunity to think pretty deeply about the differing options available to me.

I'm afraid we seem to live in a very harsh world at the moment. My options in life are very limited just now too.

I wonder if it would make sense to think now about what your transferrable skills are just in case you do need to make a move next spring? There seems to be a shortage of staff in a lot of different fields just now so maybe you could find a great opportunity elsewhere.

I wonder if you might make a really great technican in a science lab, for example? That has good career prospects, without the requirement for vaccination.

@Timeforwinterclothes

As a former lecturer in dental nursing, I'm amazed at your health phobia. You have to work on a daily basis with patients with dental phobia. You know that their fears are unfounded, but something in the past has triggered them.

@Timeforwinterclothes Unfounded how? I have been battling dental phobia my whole life, indeed triggered by some horrendous experiences in childhood. But also because dental work is often painful - sometimes extremely so. I also have a very low pain threshold - even had to have local anaesthetic to have my braces removed, and can't tolerate ultrasonic descaling either because of the coolant. I had injections for work on my bottom back teeth a few years ago that were so painful I almost leapt out of the chair. Outside childbirth, dental work has been consistently some of the most painful medical interventions I've ever had.

@FuckingFucksicles

For people saying facepalm healthy people can pass it on to people who can get very ill... they are all vaccinated now and the ones who cant well, sorry but what can we do even if we all were vaccinated IT DOESNT STOP transmission even the adverts say this! Healthy people should be left to decide what they do! If I have a heavy cold I stay away from people and Id do the same with covid! We cant keep doing this. We arnt bad people for not getting vaccinated! I have a great immune system and I dont want some jab making me feel like shit thanks!

Complete and utter unscientific bollox!!

Vaccination reduces transmission. Here is the peer reviewed SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE from a respected journal..

www.newscientist.com/article/2294250-how-much-less-likely-are-you-to-spread-covid-19-if-youre-vaccinated/amp/

as opposed to some fucking voodoo !

How can some people be so phenomenally thick ? Try reading actual SCIENCE papers instead of believing crap from YouTube.

Try looking at who has paid for the research. Who owns the website.. is their information peer reviewed by actual verified expert virologists ?

No ? Then it doesn't count !

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After all the deaths, the lockdown, long Covid and the impact on society I'm genuinely surprised at issues around getting vaccinated.

You are working in close proximity to people, so yes, I think anyone working in health care should be vaccinated to protect the people you are treating.

There are other jobs if you feel this is unreasonable. Your desire to stay in your job doesn't trump keeping other people safe IMO.

Apologies for my ignorance but what do you mean with "health anxiety"? i mean, what scares you? the injection?
From the NHS website :"Health anxiety is when you spend time worrying you are ill or getting ill.
Shouldn't you more worried to catch long covid or causing old relatives to get intubated?
Just asking...I am not being sarcastic here....

The fact is: the COVID Vaccines DO reduce the transmission.
As a person who goes often to the dentist, if they told me someone is vaccinated and someone is not, I would not even considered being checked by the dentist/nurse that is not vaccinated. Not only for a bigger possibility for them to give me the virus but also as it shows they do not have in medicine and science hence why did they choose that profession?

It doesn't make sense at all OP. I really am upset for you!

MauraandLaura

Gotta be the best post I’ve read on Mumsnet for a long time 👏👏👏

@wasthataburp

It doesn't make sense at all OP. I really am upset for you!

What about it doesn't make sense?

As have posted upthread, OP has my every sympthay, health anxiety is terrible. Having to choose between a vaccine you don't want and your current role is also terrible.

But there is a strong rationale for including the coronavirus vaccine in those required for HCPs