I have to have the vaccine or I loose my job

[wingingmumlife]

I am absolutely prepared to get flamed for this but I am really worrying.

I am 22 year years old, healthy and unvaccinated (by choice).

I am not anti-vax, I have had every single vaccine from being a child to now and my daughter is up to date with all of hers too.

I work in dentistry and myself and 4 other colleagues have been told we have to be fully vaccinated by April 2022 otherwise, we lose our jobs.

I just can't believe it has come to this. I feel like my human rights have been taken away. I'm not a conspiracy theorist and I am a big believer in science but as a genuine question ... Can someone please tell me why this vaccine is being pushed so much to the point where soon we probably won't be able to even go into a restaurant without having this vaccine?

I have to wear AGP PPE every single day for every single patient but this still isn't enough?

I test myself every single day, but this still isn't enough?

Can someone please help it make sense to me? That is a genuine question.

Im not looking for an argument and I'm not wanting anyone to tell me "how stupid I am" I just want this to make sense.

For anyone wondering why I haven't had the vaccine - the main reason being, I have severe health anxiety, ironic I know since most would think I'd jump for the vaccine, but at the moment I'm more scared of this vaccine then I am of catching Covid itself.

I just feel sick to my stomach at the thought of not having a job unless I have this vaccine, it really doesn't sit well with me but everyone on here seems to be supporting it?

[quote howdiditcometothis666]@ollyollyoxenfree You know better than the CDC?

www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/myo-outcomes.html[/quote]
Did you actually read my post?

For reference- I said:

You have wildly misinterpreted this.

Yes, myocarditis or a CVST can of course cause long term health complications.

However these side effects emerge quickly -

Good

@Finknottlesnewt

I am currently on day 7 of Covid. I am double vaxed but missed my booster due to hospitalisation. I am immunosuppressed. Booster rebooked for yesterday which also had to be postponed. Therefore my vaccine efficacy has fallen now to about 42% .My Covid is less severe because I've had a vaccine. However it still means I have ; Phenomenal fatigue. due to A cough that makes me vomit. Have been 'up' for about 3 hours in 6 days. A frontal lobe headache like none other. No taste. Back ache like sciatic x 10. (Had to be helped off the toilet).

I was on the CEV list but felt secure enough after my jabs to return to work at the police station. I am a team of 17. Where EVERYONE is double vaxed because a) they are not selfish and b) they are well educated. I have worked there without incident since March.

8 days ago my dear friend Who is ALSO a dental nurse asked if she could stay over as she had an early morning appointment at her doctors (unrelated) and I live literally next door. She lives in the next town. I agreed.

When she arrived (on the bus) she said she had a headache. It didn't cross my mind that MY friend who knows my condition would be unvaccinated. She is so normal in other ways and of course a health care professional. 3 hours later she had a temperature. I asked her to do a LFT. She was reluctant as 'wears all the PPE at work', It took ten seconds for two bright red lines.

It took 3 days for me to get the same result. I am now having to be attached to an oximeter 3x a day and report my readings. At 92 SATS I have to be admitted. They are currently 94.

If I hadn't been responsible enough to get myself vaccinated I would be without doubt in ICU at the moment or dying. But hey ! That's fine. Because your anxiety and 'rights' give YOU the right to infringe MY right to life.

So wingingitmumlife Unless you are wearing PPE on the bus, in the supermarket, in your home, at the pub and at your friends... you need to stop being so fucking selfish and get vaccinated !!!

(My children are besides themselves with anger at this unbridled selfishness. My daughter wants her arrested under crimes against the person. I understand why.

Yeah, this.

As a country we are very individualistic now. I will do what I want because I want to. I think it is a bit of an import from America with all its hardcore consumer-based ‘values.’ It’s quite sad that people don’t think or their neighbours well-being or that of their children or elderly relatives when making decisions about things that effect the wider community. And this is what it ends up in! Doing something that seriously effects your own friend or family member.

The friend who infected you is probably absolutely mortified now but didn’t stop for a second to think about how her actions would affect other people before hand. She had no association in her mind between the strangers she didn’t care about that she might come into contact with and the people she knows and cares about. It’s a tough lesson to learn.

Sorry that this happened to you and hope you make a good recovery

[quote ollyollyoxenfree]For reference- I said:

You have wildly misinterpreted this.

Yes, myocarditis or a CVST can of course cause long term health complications.

However these side effects emerge quickly -

@user698312578

“ The unvaccinated ... fuck me why not just start asking people to wear arm bands so that people can stand away from them in shops.”

Good idea actually and trust me they have been called worse.

Ah I bet you would have been right at the front on the queue to stand with the Nazis.

I just saw your post on the vaccine and it is refreshing, to see someone else standing up and asking questions! I am in your position too, I dont trust it! The reason its spreading (if thats actually the case anymore) because on one hand they say it is but cop26 never spiked cases!? Anyway, I dont get how vaccinated people can go about and pass it on, if someone at home is positive, no need to isolate incase you were carrying it? What happened to that? Does the vaccine magically stop your hands transmitting germs? Do you breathe fairy dust air thats antibac?

What happened to this government being obsessed with people working and now they are happily forcing people into unemployment? Good luck filling all the care positions alot of people never wanted to fill in the first place - actual shot themselves in the face, they might get people desperate but in the meantime people will suffer without care.

Vaccine passorts are nothing but population control! Our rights are being taken away in a twisted sense, because right now people are chosing to have the vaccine through wanting to do things but they arnt actually choosing.

A very new vaccine that nobody knows long term effects of and boosters? In less than a year? Maybe blame GPs for busy hospitals but people are going more and more now maybe because its the vaccines are having effects! Whos going to admit to that though?

They say the reason this vaccine came around so quickly is because it was an emergency, is cancer not an emergency? Because thats killed all ages so much more!

Children used to not get it remember? Now apaprently they do.

NONE OF THIS MAKES SENSE.

Cop 26 in a "pandemic" LOL.

I honestly want a chat with the governments.

We were good enough to work through this and risk it all at the beginning now we can fuck off... thanks gov!

@ollyollyoxenfree Wasn't ignoring your comment, but actually trying to do some work. I don't think the fact that mRNA degrades quickly is the whole story - it's action on the immune system has already been completed. I am not against vaccination, but I suspect it is not as wholly benign as we would like to think, in the same way as we now know antibiotics too have their downsides eg. resistance, elimination of gut flora (we are only now beginning to understand just how important gut health is for our health in general.)

I worry that the exponential rise in autoimmune disease, for instance, might have its roots in vaccination, which after all, interferes with the immune system is a direct and invasive. It will take a long time to tease out any association, especially given you'd need unvaccinated control groups to compare with and have to follow them over a lifetime.

Like I said, I am opposed to vaccination per se - just as I am not opposed to taking antibiotics. But I think we should always follow the utmost caution, and certainly not ridicule and demonise people who are cautious.

@Phobiaphobic

Nope, sorry. You don't post in agreement with a nonsensical post about Chinese vaccines, and then double down with even more nonsense about smoking related diseases, and then try and claim I'm the idiot..!

And you're still not answering any of the posters asking about your nonsensical analogy with smoking. Presumably that felt like quite a clever point to make at the time and now you've run out of rope to back it up..?

How are so many leaving school with such a lack of critical literacy skills is the bigger question?

People become so invested in conspiracy theories and their 'truth seeking' networks that it becomes such a big part of who they are. No letting go of that so all the whining and moaning over things one simply doesn't understand just becomes 'noise'. There's no downside to the vaccine so either get it or don't. If you choose not to, I hope you find a job that suits you and your 'beliefs' much better.

Oh my goodness you're making this difficult @howdiditcometothis666

As I have said (twice now) : Yes, myocarditis or a CVST can of course cause long term health complications.

This is what the CDC are investigating - myocarditis that has persisted more than 90 days after vaccination.

However, myocarditis (or other side effects) will not suddenly emerge in the long-term after vaccination. Side effects, by the very nature of how vaccination occurs, will occur in the short term.

mRNA cannot hang around and suddenly cause problems 6 months/ a year post vaccination, which are what posters are claiming and using as an argument against vaccination.

On the myocarditis note it is important to highlight that several studies have demonstrated infection itself is assoication with higer rates and more severe complications, which do persist in the long term.

Kosher you can still pass on Covid whilst vaccinated. It isn’t that black and white. Think you are being a bit over dramatic and dismissive there.

It’s very easy to say that sort of thing when you don’t have to do the job yourself. You have nt tears of training into it. Healthcare is a very niche role so getting a job at the same level of pay somewhere else is not an option.

For whatever reason they choose not to have it we should not be so dismissive of their reasons. They have worries that are very much valid. Everything carries a risk however small and vaccination does too.

I would also be interested to see how far up the food chain this goes. If they sack the h as and the cleaners in the nhs will they also sack the consultants and senior management. I somehow doubt it.

Bloody phone! Wish I did trust it all as life would be easier!

@Phobiaphobic Interesting post at 11.47, thank you.

@Phobiaphobic

Like I said, I am opposed to vaccination per se - just as I am not opposed to taking antibiotics. But I think we should always follow the utmost caution, and certainly not ridicule and demonise people who are cautious.

It's not a matter of "deminising" the cautious people. It's a matter of protecting everyone else from them, especially in close contact settings with vulnerable people, such as health and personal care.

But I think we should always follow the utmost caution

However you're not interested in following the 'utmost caution' when it comes to covid?

[quote Phobiaphobic]@ollyollyoxenfree Wasn't ignoring your comment, but actually trying to do some work. I don't think the fact that mRNA degrades quickly is the whole story - it's action on the immune system has already been completed. I am not against vaccination, but I suspect it is not as wholly benign as we would like to think, in the same way as we now know antibiotics too have their downsides eg. resistance, elimination of gut flora (we are only now beginning to understand just how important gut health is for our health in general.)

I worry that the exponential rise in autoimmune disease, for instance, might have its roots in vaccination, which after all, interferes with the immune system is a direct and invasive. It will take a long time to tease out any association, especially given you'd need unvaccinated control groups to compare with and have to follow them over a lifetime.

Like I said, I am opposed to vaccination per se - just as I am not opposed to taking antibiotics. But I think we should always follow the utmost caution, and certainly not ridicule and demonise people who are cautious.[/quote]
I worry that the exponential rise in autoimmune disease, for instance, might have its roots in vaccination

Ah right out of Wakefield's handbook.

There is very little evidence to demonstrate vaccines cause AI diseases, and a huge amount to demonstrate they are triggered by viral infection.

Ah I bet you would have been right at the front on the queue to stand with the Nazis.

No, the anti-vaccinators would have been. (I do not include OP in this category as she has a medical problem of her own.)

Because the fundamental question here is: What is more important: the rights of the fit and healthy to be totally unrestricted, or the rights of the medically vulnerable to be protected?

The Nazis made the most extreme decision possible in favour of the former against the 'useless eaters'.

@wingingmumlife

For a virus with a high survival rate (especially for people my age) we should be able to make that choice wether or not we want to have it.

     I am pretty surprised that someone claiming extreme health anxiety,   finds any comfort/ personal reassurance  at all from "high survival rate".   Because HA fixates on "worst possible scenario".

   Fear that a beta blocker and a single xray  would stop your heart and give you cancer,  surely includes  inevitable fatality if you catch  coronavirus?

If you work on some form of health care I think it's reasonable that you have to have it. At the end of the day it is your choice - find a new job or have the jab.

the exponential rise in autoimmune disease

I am not even sure there is. Autoimmune diseases are being diagnosed more, because people know more about them.

I had Crohn's disease starting as a child, and wasn't diagnosed for over a decade, because doctors thought that children couldn't have it.

The issue here isn’t the vaccine it’s you suffer from hypochondria so are unable to mentally cope. It’s your illness stopping you, if that can’t be addressed and resolved before the end of Jan, which it’s doubtful it can, hyphochondria is very difficult to treat and cure, then you do need to find another job.

Unless you can explain to your employer you’re a hypochondriac and get a gp to exempt you?

@user1497207191
I said I would personally ask if I could take up a new position. In the time waiting for the date of when the vaccine requirement comes into place there could be a vacancy in another area so it could be an option.
I also was on the side of I would feel personal responsibility of protecting others and not wanting to remain in a high risk position when being a potential risk to those more vulnerable.
I also have a degree of health anxiety and this amplifies my need to try my hardest to protect others if I feel I could be of risk.
I am fully vaccinated, test twice a week and wear a mask.
The thought of potentially passing Covid onto someone terrifies me.

@Finknottlesnewt your "friend" could have given it to you even if she'd been vaccinated, especially if she had the AZ vaccine where the protection can wane more quickly.