I have to have the vaccine or I loose my job

[wingingmumlife]

I am absolutely prepared to get flamed for this but I am really worrying.

I am 22 year years old, healthy and unvaccinated (by choice).

I am not anti-vax, I have had every single vaccine from being a child to now and my daughter is up to date with all of hers too.

I work in dentistry and myself and 4 other colleagues have been told we have to be fully vaccinated by April 2022 otherwise, we lose our jobs.

I just can't believe it has come to this. I feel like my human rights have been taken away. I'm not a conspiracy theorist and I am a big believer in science but as a genuine question ... Can someone please tell me why this vaccine is being pushed so much to the point where soon we probably won't be able to even go into a restaurant without having this vaccine?

I have to wear AGP PPE every single day for every single patient but this still isn't enough?

I test myself every single day, but this still isn't enough?

Can someone please help it make sense to me? That is a genuine question.

Im not looking for an argument and I'm not wanting anyone to tell me "how stupid I am" I just want this to make sense.

For anyone wondering why I haven't had the vaccine - the main reason being, I have severe health anxiety, ironic I know since most would think I'd jump for the vaccine, but at the moment I'm more scared of this vaccine then I am of catching Covid itself.

I just feel sick to my stomach at the thought of not having a job unless I have this vaccine, it really doesn't sit well with me but everyone on here seems to be supporting it?

@RubyTuesday70

I had my 2 initial vaccines and was so horribly unwell that I won't be having any more. We all have the right to choose what we do or don't put into our bodies.

The fact that they're having to "boost" these already just tells me how ineffective they are, and the cost is eye watering. We could be doing this still in 10 years time.........

that you were feeling unwell is a GOOD sign; it means that your body has had a robust response to the vaccine and now is prepared to fight off Covid.

It's a temporary inconvenience for long term societal gain. Can you not think of the long-term?

Boosters are normal for achieving immunization. It's the very high transmissibility of this virus that makes them necessary, not a flaw in the vaccine.

I’m so sorry you are facing this. How quickly we went from just vaccinating the vulnerable to sacking health hard working people who didn’t want it. Disgusting too that this deadline isn’t until April so they can use you for the winter and then drop you in the spring. This policy will destroy the NHS and the government will have the perfect scapegoat - the unvaccinated who they’ve already turned the rest of the population against.

[quote GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER]**@ImJustADaddy, real flu is likely to knock your stuffing right out for a few weeks.
If it was ‘just a sniffle’ it wasn’t flu.
Plenty of people who’ve never had flu like to say they’ve got it, when it’s just a cold.
Anyone who’s had the real thing will know the difference.[/quote]
@GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER

How can you know that ?
When i had covid it was 'just a sniffle' and that is also apparently "knocking peoples stuffing out" , to the point of death.

Why cant you just accept that things affect people differently and that i dont seem to be that susceptible to respiritory viruses

@ImJustADaddy

Why and how did you get tested for flu when you had "just a sniffle"?

[quote namechangerforthisconfessionn]@wingingmumlife if I was you OP I would go in to work until they tell you in writing you cannot work there anymore and the reasons why. If court cases are brought in the future you will have a case then so do not hand in your notice if you decide not to have the vaccines.

Tell them you want everything in writing[/quote]
You're not a lawyer, are you...

I am sorry you are feeling such anxiety. I would just like to say that my DS1 was testing regularly for his work and had two negatives when he had symptoms of a cold. He is asthmatic so was quite short of breath and rang the GP who prescribed antibiotics and steroids. The GP acknowledged that the symptoms were cold related but to have a COvid test anyway just to make sure because of the variants. DS1 was positive! The two (LFT)negative tests had been that week. Getting the antibiotics and steroids into him that day and before the results came back helped him fight it. The outcome was much better than what he may have been like without the vaccine. He has recovered and is back at work now.

I had the vaccine but it wasn’t without worry. Only you can decide. Could you leave and get a different job and go back if you feel comfortable with taking the vaccine in a few years? It would delay any prospects to go up the ladder but might be a possibility.

@ChateauMargaux

I also sympathise with this. All medical treatment should be done with informed consent. This is coercion. It goes against the principles that underpin our medical system.

If you get cancer are you going to quibble over what's in the drugs and therapeutics, and delay treatment while you research conspiracy theories?

This is a similar emergency. Think of your social duty.

@Lostinacloud

If there’s a 50-65% reduction in transmission amongst vaccinated people then it stands to reason that it will be the same, if not a slightly higher, figure amongst unvaccinated but previously infected people. Otherwise why is an antibody reaction caused by a vaccine any different to an antibody reaction caused by a natural infection?

I can’t see how it can’t be argued any different and in that case, surely there at least needs to be a differentiation between those previously infected and recovered and those yet to be vaccinated or infected?

Anecdotally, my family all had covid before vaccines were available and despite a further year with 4DC at school, living through Delta and not really limiting any social contact or movement, none of us have ever caught it again.

This is not true.

I have posted this before - I think directly to you, but there are several studies now that demonstrate that in cohorts of previously infected people, those vaccinated are less likely to be re-infected.

Immunity from infection is not automatically the robust protection you are assuming it to be.

Iv had covid and it was just a sniffle.

Not the flu then.

'We are living in Orwellian times. I don't laugh at conspiracy theorists anymore. It's like the governments of the world are orchestrating the deliberate breakdown of society as quickly as they can.'

Wtf.

Vaccine coercion is disgusting and wrong on every level, I can't explain it OP, but I'm on your side and sympathise with you. Every other vaccine is personal choice, but not this one.

"I am not anti-vax, I have had every single vaccine from being a child to now and my daughter is up to date with all of hers too."

It's terribly sad that the one time your aversion to vaccination arises happens to be when we're two years into a pandemic.

@justwantobeamum

Vaccine coercion is disgusting and wrong on every level, I can't explain it OP, but I'm on your side and sympathise with you. Every other vaccine is personal choice, but not this one.

Yeah it’s almost like we’re in the middle of a global pandemic or something!

Sorry, meant the flu is not a sniffle.

I've had Covid and it was much more than a sniffle, same with the flu.

Even if Covid was 'just a sniffle' for a poster, it isn't just a sniffle for everybody, sadly.
That more than a sniffle can then tie up medical care, so when you or a family member/friend have another non Covid issue, you can't access said care.

@MadameGazellee

I am not an anti vaxxer either, and actually have a medical background hence why I am so reluctant to take the COVID 19 vaccine - because the research on mRNA technology used in the Pfizer, AstraZeneca, Moderna etc is frankly scary and nobody knows the long term side effects of this technology. Short term, the vaccine has the potential to cause severe reactions, and long term, we simply don´t know what might happen.

The Chinese made vaccines do NOT use the new mRNA technology. They are made the same way as other vaccines, and so they don´t have this same risk in terms of unknown long term effects.

My solution was to take this vaccine, which is now accepted in the UK. You will be allowed in everywhere, but you won´t have to worry about the potential long term side effects of mRNA technology.

I don´t live in the UK, so am not sure if it´s available yet, but considering it´s now accepted by the UK government, I hope it might be soon (although you might need to get it privately).

It´s not about refusing the vaccine, or being an anti vaxxer, despite what people say. In fact, most of the people I know who have reservations about mRNA technology come from a medical background (or similar field). It´s about acting through reason and not fear, and not rushing into something to save your health in the short term, which might damage your health in the long term.

It´s a funny world we live in where those people being cautious to make rational and education decisions are insulted and labelled as stupid. But that´s what fear does to people.

This is how I feel. We just don't know enough about the longer term effects of mRNA vaccines on human health. It took decades to prove the link between smoking and lung cancer, because epidemiology is a complicated science where you have to eliminate so many confounding factors.

No one should have the vaccine if they don't want, but the sheer amount of people apparently turning it down due to misinformation about efficacy and side effects (rife on MN and this thread), is staggering.

There has been sucesss with doing engagement and information events regarding coronavirus vaccination with staff providing care. When encouraged to ask questions, and have the anti-vaccine myths cleared up, staff have felt happy to go ahead and get vaccination. Double benefits to these people for now having the health benefits and being able to retain their jobs.

We need more of these events for other healthcare fields.

Would this be useful for you @wingingmumlife?

This is how I feel. We just don't know enough about the longer term effects of mRNA vaccines on human health. It took decades to prove the link between smoking and lung cancer, because epidemiology is a complicated science where you have to eliminate so many confounding factors.

There is no biological rationale for long term emerging side effects due to mRNA. It is degraded very quickly in vivo and cannot hang around for a long term period - has been problematic when attempting to design therapies where it would be beneficial to have mRNA active in cells for a longer time period @Phobiaphobic

HTH.

I wouldn’t go to a dentist which have unvaccinated staff working there

My 7 yr old is CEV and I can’t risk it. Not for her. She can’t help who she comes into contact with. But I can.

Hi OP - I've posted elsewhere on this but IMO vaccines should not be mandatory. I am concerned about the loss of human rights and bodily autonomy - it is a slippery slope. It should be every person's unequivocal right to accept or not any medical treatment or intervention. If not where does this end? I worry that so many people are so scared of Covid that they don't see the danger of this

This is how I feel. We just don't know enough about the longer term effects of mRNA vaccines on human health

What about the longer term effects of Covid? Or the drugs that treat covid (that presumably you wouldn't turn down if you needed them)?

Why is it only vaccines this concern applies to?

You have a responsibility for the vulnerable people who you look after in your job. If it was just about you, then I would agree it's your choice. But it isn't and it isn't fair to put people at risk. So although the ruling isn't an easy one it's the right one. You can't work in a health or caring profession without being vaccinated. It's deeply unfair and dangerous to the vulnerable people you serve.

www.bmj.com/content/375/bmj.n2635

So many self appointed experts on this thread! My particular favourite is the poster ‘from a medical background’ who thinks AZ uses mRNA technologies 😂😂😂😂😂

I worry that so many people are so scared of Covid that they don't see the danger of this

On a personal level, Im not even slightly concerned about covid.

I have that luxury though. Others don't.

However, the bottom line is that our health service can't cope with high levels of unmitigated covid. What do you think should be done about this if people don't take the easiest, simplest step they can in taking the vaccine?

@TheKeatingFive

I worry that so many people are so scared of Covid that they don't see the danger of this

On a personal level, Im not even slightly concerned about covid.

I have that luxury though. Others don't.

However, the bottom line is that our health service can't cope with high levels of unmitigated covid. What do you think should be done about this if people don't take the easiest, simplest step they can in taking the vaccine?

Yup, this.

Many posters talking about personally not being worried about COVID. Neither am I as I have the luxury of being extremely low risk.

It's the societal consequences of an out of control pandemic that is the fear. Mandating coronavirus vaccination for those with close patient contact is one way we can help minimise chains of transmission.