I have to have the vaccine or I loose my job

[wingingmumlife]

I am absolutely prepared to get flamed for this but I am really worrying.

I am 22 year years old, healthy and unvaccinated (by choice).

I am not anti-vax, I have had every single vaccine from being a child to now and my daughter is up to date with all of hers too.

I work in dentistry and myself and 4 other colleagues have been told we have to be fully vaccinated by April 2022 otherwise, we lose our jobs.

I just can't believe it has come to this. I feel like my human rights have been taken away. I'm not a conspiracy theorist and I am a big believer in science but as a genuine question ... Can someone please tell me why this vaccine is being pushed so much to the point where soon we probably won't be able to even go into a restaurant without having this vaccine?

I have to wear AGP PPE every single day for every single patient but this still isn't enough?

I test myself every single day, but this still isn't enough?

Can someone please help it make sense to me? That is a genuine question.

Im not looking for an argument and I'm not wanting anyone to tell me "how stupid I am" I just want this to make sense.

For anyone wondering why I haven't had the vaccine - the main reason being, I have severe health anxiety, ironic I know since most would think I'd jump for the vaccine, but at the moment I'm more scared of this vaccine then I am of catching Covid itself.

I just feel sick to my stomach at the thought of not having a job unless I have this vaccine, it really doesn't sit well with me but everyone on here seems to be supporting it?

You have to weigh up what you're more anxious about. The possibility of being unemployed or having a vaccine that millions have had successfully.

@DontWantTheRivalry

The fact that they're having to "boost" these already just tells me how ineffective they are, and the cost is eye watering. We could be doing this still in 10 years time.........

We were having a discussion about this yesterday….how great a vaccine is it when 6 months after your second jab you have to have a booster. Is everyone going to have these boosters every 6 months for the next God knows how many years?

I'd imagine they are trying to hit it hard before it mutates again to a more tricky strain. Hopefully it will eventually become milder then boosters will be as for the flu only.

We're already on the way to a lockdown for unvaccinated people. Is that what you want? You'll be the one stuck at home. Oh and forget that holiday in the sun.

Austria has already imposed one and Wales only needs to extend its requirement for Covid passes to shops and restaurants ( it's already mandatory for cinemas, theatres, concert halls and big events) and it's a lockdown by the back door.

The problem here is your own health anxiety, not the measures taken to protect your vulnerable patients from you.

The future is pretty scary if we dont have the right to refuse something being put into our bodies dont you think ?

You do have a right to refuse, you just have to accept there are consequences to the refusal.

AGP PPE is so miserable to wear I’d have thought getting the jab as a step towards no longer having to wear it would be a good motivator OP!

Sorry OP but I have absolutely zero sympathy with you. I am going to see my dentist tomorrow and I am reassured by the fact that all the staff in the surgery have had two vaccines. If you want to keep your job then have it!

I remember reading something saying this pandemic would last 5 years (sorry cannot remember the reasoning behind it) and that's what I am planning for!

I am not an anti vaxxer either, and actually have a medical background hence why I am so reluctant to take the COVID 19 vaccine - because the research on mRNA technology used in the Pfizer, AstraZeneca, Moderna etc is frankly scary and nobody knows the long term side effects of this technology

I find this viewpoint coupled with the fact you have a medical background bizzare @MadameGazellee

AZ in not based on mRNA technology

It is fair to be cautious about the short term side effects of these vaccies such as myocarditis, even though data demonstrates you are at higher risk from infection itself.

There is no biological rationale for side effects that emerge in the long term. mRNA is degraded very quickly in vivo. It does not hang around waiting to cause adverse effects.

I'm double vaccinated but totally sympathise with you OP. We are living in Orwellian times. I don't laugh at conspiracy theorists anymore. It's like the governments of the world are orchestrating the deliberate breakdown of society as quickly as they can.

@lonelyapple

I'm double vaccinated but totally sympathise with you OP. We are living in Orwellian times. I don't laugh at conspiracy theorists anymore. It's like the governments of the world are orchestrating the deliberate breakdown of society as quickly as they can.

Christ.

@wingingmumlife if I was you OP I would go in to work until they tell you in writing you cannot work there anymore and the reasons why. If court cases are brought in the future you will have a case then so do not hand in your notice if you decide not to have the vaccines.

Tell them you want everything in writing

@Elphame

We're already on the way to a lockdown for unvaccinated people. Is that what you want? You'll be the one stuck at home. Oh and forget that holiday in the sun.

Austria has already imposed one and Wales only needs to extend its requirement for Covid passes to shops and restaurants ( it's already mandatory for cinemas, theatres, concert halls and big events) and it's a lockdown by the back door.

The problem here is your own health anxiety, not the measures taken to protect your vulnerable patients from you.

Exactly. There is a possibility that you won't be able to work in ANY job without being vaccinated if things get bad and we have to follow other countries by locking down the unvaccinated. And no, you won't get 80% furlough pay in future either - that simply cost too much and won't be repeated.

[quote namechangerforthisconfessionn]@wingingmumlife if I was you OP I would go in to work until they tell you in writing you cannot work there anymore and the reasons why. If court cases are brought in the future you will have a case then so do not hand in your notice if you decide not to have the vaccines.

Tell them you want everything in writing[/quote]
But it's about to be a legal requirement?

@ImJustADaddy

And no iv not had the vaccine. Iv had covid and it was just a sniffle.

I had flu once, that was just a sniffle too, but i had the flu vaccinbe once and it put me in bed for a week.

So i dont want the covid vaccine as i have reason to believe that for me the 'cure' will be worse than the disease.

I only mildy didnt want it at first, but the more it feels like im being forced into having it, the more i dont want it.
As i say above, we really should protect our rights to refuse

The future is pretty scary if we dont have the right to refuse something being put into our bodies dont you think ?

If it was just a sniffle, it wasn't flu.

@ollyollyoxenfree is totally correct. AZ is NOT based on mRNA technology. @MadameGazellee you need to get your facts right!

@Kikkomam

I don't believe people can get double vaccinated and then be so supportive of other people who don't want to get vaccinated.

There seems to be an awful lot of them on Mumsnet.

Why on Earth not. Lots of people make decisions I personally consider to be unwise- drinking, unprotected sex, refusing treatments the list goes on and on. The principle of people being free to make unwise decisions if they are of sound mind is central to HCP. The royal colleges all opposed this legislation and an overwhelming majority of their members are fully vaccinated

I also sympathise with this. All medical treatment should be done with informed consent. This is coercion. It goes against the principles that underpin our medical system.

The future is pretty scary if we dont have the right to refuse something being put into our bodies dont you think ?

You do have a right to refuse, you just have to accept there are consequences to the refusal.

This. ^ Absolutely.

You can choose and I will always defend your right to do so. But you must accept that there are limitations attached to those choices. Working in a medical or caring setting is something you must accept is no longer an option for you.

I wish the vaccines were offered to those who need it but don’t have access instead of selfish privileged people refusing it

@JSL52

You have to weigh up what you're more anxious about. The possibility of being unemployed or having a vaccine that millions have had successfully.

Billions have had successfully. Billions.

You have far more risk using a car or public transport, for example. By orders of magnitude. Yet unless you walk everywhere, you use transport without thinking about it.

By giving people an experimental jab, it will cause long term side effects and health issues and the cycle continues. I have no issues with people having the jab, each to their own but I wouldn't have it.

@Gymohithoughtyousaidgin

You have any sources or evidence that suggests how a vaccine could cause long-term emerging side effects, given that there is no biological rationale?

@user698312578

I wish the vaccines were offered to those who need it but don’t have access instead of selfish privileged people refusing it

God yes.

@ImJustADaddy, real flu is likely to knock your stuffing right out for a few weeks.
If it was ‘just a sniffle’ it wasn’t flu.
Plenty of people who’ve never had flu like to say they’ve got it, when it’s just a cold.
Anyone who’s had the real thing will know the difference.

@Kikkomam well it won't hurt to have it in writing will it, you never know what the future holds when GP's etc are being forced out of work it's only a matter of time before it ends up in court

Well said @BungleandGeorge

@ChardonnaysPetDragon

What on earth had happened to us?! Is it the trauma of lockdown making people so paranoid?

Nothing has happened, some people have always been a bit thick.,

I wish there was a thanks button. This about sums up conspiracy addicts.

OP, get the jab. Whatever your fears are about it, the reality of having covid or being responsible for spreading it to someone vulnerable without having done something as simple as have a shot to lessen the risk, will be infinitely worse than health anxiety issues.

If you're not getting medication and help for your anxiety, get it now and do the responsible thing for yourself and everyone who comes in contact with you.