I have to have the vaccine or I loose my job

[wingingmumlife]

I am absolutely prepared to get flamed for this but I am really worrying.

I am 22 year years old, healthy and unvaccinated (by choice).

I am not anti-vax, I have had every single vaccine from being a child to now and my daughter is up to date with all of hers too.

I work in dentistry and myself and 4 other colleagues have been told we have to be fully vaccinated by April 2022 otherwise, we lose our jobs.

I just can't believe it has come to this. I feel like my human rights have been taken away. I'm not a conspiracy theorist and I am a big believer in science but as a genuine question ... Can someone please tell me why this vaccine is being pushed so much to the point where soon we probably won't be able to even go into a restaurant without having this vaccine?

I have to wear AGP PPE every single day for every single patient but this still isn't enough?

I test myself every single day, but this still isn't enough?

Can someone please help it make sense to me? That is a genuine question.

Im not looking for an argument and I'm not wanting anyone to tell me "how stupid I am" I just want this to make sense.

For anyone wondering why I haven't had the vaccine - the main reason being, I have severe health anxiety, ironic I know since most would think I'd jump for the vaccine, but at the moment I'm more scared of this vaccine then I am of catching Covid itself.

I just feel sick to my stomach at the thought of not having a job unless I have this vaccine, it really doesn't sit well with me but everyone on here seems to be supporting it?

Something tells me the OP won't be looking for help with her health anxiety.

One point that you made just lacks logic. You say that Hep vaccines are tested either, either fully or to your satisfaction.
Around the world there have been more vaccinations in these 18 months against Covid than there have been for Hepatitis. You accept the one but reject the other. WHY?

You are not being asked to be a 'lab rat' or pioneer Millions have gone before you.
Any vaccine has a 'failure rate' or contra reactions even those in common use.

I don't believe people can get double vaccinated and then be so supportive of other people who don't want to get vaccinated

It's called having some empathy and being tolerant of other viewpoints - something that is often severely lacking on MN (and elsewhere).

When OP can't get into Primark without showing her vaccine passport then she'll get it

I’m sorry you have fallen for so much anti vax propaganda which is no doubt while your health anxiety has peaked. It could be worth having a chat with your Gp who can give you the facts about the vaccine and how safe it is.

Also please stop reading nonsense online. In Dublin you need a vaccine cert or to have recovered from covid to enter a restaurant or cinema. You don’t need it to stay in hotels, go to shops etc at all.

You are not helping yourself getting your knowledge from Facebook and social media. Ireland has government website which clearly explain its current regulations if you are interested in reading them.

I think we should be very careful what freedoms we give up.
Yes its all very good bleating on "just have the vaccine for gods sake - whats up with you" - but this person doesnt want to have it and that should be enough.

What if in a couple of years, some other virus comes out, and another vaccine that for whatever reason YOU dont want to have.. The presidence is set though now, vaccines can be mandated ..

If one person doesnt have freedom - then none of us have it. We should protect body autonomy , even if we think everyone should have the vaccine, we should protect the rights of those that dont want it

@wingingmumlife

You say no one is forcing me to have the vaccine but I already can't go to certain places unless I've had it. Look at Dublin, Ireland, you can't do anything over there unless you've had both vaccines. Want to visit a restaurant? Have to have had both vaccines. Want to visit a cinema? Have to have had both vaccines? Want to go into a supermarket? Have to have had both vaccines. That will happen here, then try and tell me no one is forcing me to have the vaccine. Come off it, seriously.

I love the way that certain selfish individuals make stuff up to strengthen their arguments and sound vaguely plausible.

In Ireland, the only requirement in supermarkets is to wear a face mask, as has been the case since early last year when it was proven to reduce the transmission of the virus quite considerably.

Yes, you have to show your Covid passport when mixing indoors in certain public venues for any length of time. Surely that’s a perfectly reasonable requirement?

You’re also not allowed to bring weapons into public buildings either.

Waaah, but what about my civil rights? I need to carry a loaded weapon for my own personal safety… I don’t think many Brits consider the US lack of gun control to be something to be proud of?

There’s widespread condemnation when a lone gunman goes into a school or public building and shoots and kills many people at random, but allowing Covid to spread amongst the population is actually far more devastating as one person can inadvertently carry and spread the virus to hundreds of other people without anyone being aware of the danger. However, unlike gun crime, the spread can be reduced considerably by each of us taking a few simple precautions.

You are free to wander around unvaccinated. No-one is holding you down and forcing you to have the vaccine against your will.

However, if you want to be able to continue working in a dental surgery and stick your fingers into my mouth, I expect you to take every precaution to not pass on a deadly virus (that would likely be deadly to me), and to be fully vaccinated. Your individual rights don’t trump the rights of your patients.

Everyone has a choice to say No but you then have to accept the consequences - may be your job or may be that you infect and kill someone close to you .However if you don't belong to the Club then you can't take part in its activities . It's as simple as that .

As for it being a "new vaccine " 🙄 get a grip . You have no idea do you ?

Are you not anxious about contracting covid?

You do have options, there are plenty of industries that are not requiring it's staff to be vaccinated. You'll need to move to a different industry, not one which is dealing with people with their mouth's open and spraying spittle around.

I had my 2 initial vaccines and was so horribly unwell that I won't be having any more. We all have the right to choose what we do or don't put into our bodies.

The fact that they're having to "boost" these already just tells me how ineffective they are, and the cost is eye watering. We could be doing this still in 10 years time.........

@thisplaceisweird

When OP can't get into Primark without showing her vaccine passport then she'll get it

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‘I don't believe people can get double vaccinated and then be so supportive of other people who don't want to get vaccinated’
Well believe it, I’m one. I couldn’t care less, you still catch it, you still pass it on and you can still die from it. Along with pneumonia that two work colleagues have had recently, one age 63 and one age 21. The twenty one year old was on a respirator for days. It’s frightening.

And no iv not had the vaccine.
Iv had covid and it was just a sniffle.

I had flu once, that was just a sniffle too, but i had the flu vaccinbe once and it put me in bed for a week.

So i dont want the covid vaccine as i have reason to believe that for me the 'cure' will be worse than the disease.

I only mildy didnt want it at first, but the more it feels like im being forced into having it, the more i dont want it.
As i say above, we really should protect our rights to refuse

The future is pretty scary if we dont have the right to refuse something being put into our bodies dont you think ?

@ImJustADaddy

I think we should be very careful what freedoms we give up. Yes its all very good bleating on "just have the vaccine for gods sake - whats up with you" - but this person doesnt want to have it and that should be enough.

What if in a couple of years, some other virus comes out, and another vaccine that for whatever reason YOU dont want to have.. The presidence is set though now, vaccines can be mandated ..

If one person doesnt have freedom - then none of us have it. We should protect body autonomy , even if we think everyone should have the vaccine, we should protect the rights of those that dont want it

It’s this assumption that the unvaccinated persons right to not get vaccinated supersedes another persons right not to be infected with a potentially deadly illness.

The vaccine is safe, catching covid is not. So it makes perfect sense to me that the rights of someone not to catch covid is the more important right to maintain.

many dentists are still refusing to see patients because of the risks

Really? My dentist opened to patients after the first lockdown was lifted and has been open since. Very good protective measures in place and avoidance of some more risky techniques but otherwise not much different from normal.

I appreciate your frustration. However vaccination is the strategy adopted worldwide to get past the problem of covid. Its not a surprise that the NHS would insist on it. For most healthy young people who don't really need the vaccine this requirement would not be a problem.

You are thinking about this the wrong way. It's not your employer that is at fault for introducing what you see as a new unnecessary and upsetting requirement for your job. It is your own health anxiety that is causing the problem. You are letting your mental illness get in the way of your chosen career. You are young there are lots of other jobs you can do. Find something more suited to your limitations. Maybe with at home working so vaccines status isn't a problem.

I don't know much about mental illness. I understand you are not able to just stop it. You do need to get treatment. You sound very accepting of it. You need to control your mental health issues not lean into it and just say "I am like this". If its preventing you getting healthcare then ironically the health anxiety could eventually cause your demise!!!

@ImJustADaddy

And no iv not had the vaccine. Iv had covid and it was just a sniffle.

I had flu once, that was just a sniffle too, but i had the flu vaccinbe once and it put me in bed for a week.

So i dont want the covid vaccine as i have reason to believe that for me the 'cure' will be worse than the disease.

I only mildy didnt want it at first, but the more it feels like im being forced into having it, the more i dont want it.
As i say above, we really should protect our rights to refuse

The future is pretty scary if we dont have the right to refuse something being put into our bodies dont you think ?

So let me get this right. You’ve just assumed the vaccine would be bad for you so you’re not getting it. 😂😂

I'm not a conspiracy theorist and I am a big believer in science

Then stop behaving like the first and start behaving like the second.

There you are. All sorted.

@YesNoWhoCares @borntobequiet

Yes, some dentists are still not back to normal.
My DC2 was sent an appointment for their next checkup back in July - its for April 2022, which will be almost 2.5 years since their last one.
I've not been seen since tail end of 2019, and haven't been able to schedule another routine appointment since, just get told ill be seen "in due course".

@RubyTuesday70

I had my 2 initial vaccines and was so horribly unwell that I won't be having any more. We all have the right to choose what we do or don't put into our bodies.

The fact that they're having to "boost" these already just tells me how ineffective they are, and the cost is eye watering. We could be doing this still in 10 years time.........

Would you prefer the cost of constant restrictions, regular lockdowns, furlough, business support, etc? Or the cost of massively increasing the number of hospital ICU beds to treat covid patients (new buildings, huge recruitment, eye watering costs of equipment, etc). In reality, the costs of the vaccine, even over several years is probably a lot less than the costs of living with covid and everything that entails!

I feel for you and I don’t think anyone should be forced to have the vaccine but having seen what covid did to my otherwise healthy husband (almost had to be ventilated), as someone with health anxiety I would be more scared of the virus to be honest.

If it's any help, I am a very anxious person and have had both vaccines. I was of the view that I did my own research and felt having the vaccine was the best thing. Apart from anything else I knew someone who lost family members to Covid-19. I don't think vaccines should be mandatory, but I have to be honest and say I don't understand people who work in healthcare that don't want it.

@ImJustADaddy

And no iv not had the vaccine. Iv had covid and it was just a sniffle.

I had flu once, that was just a sniffle too, but i had the flu vaccinbe once and it put me in bed for a week.

So i dont want the covid vaccine as i have reason to believe that for me the 'cure' will be worse than the disease.

I only mildy didnt want it at first, but the more it feels like im being forced into having it, the more i dont want it.
As i say above, we really should protect our rights to refuse

The future is pretty scary if we dont have the right to refuse something being put into our bodies dont you think ?

It's not all about you! Don't you care about the people you could infect if you caught covid, even mildly - the people who could die of it because of you?

What about when you get older or contract a disease that makes you vulnerable to covid? You'll then be bleating about anti-vaxers risking YOUR health and life by potentially giving it to you when you're vulnerable.

As you've mentioned that both you and your daughter are fully up to date on all of your other vaccinations, can I ask what is it about this vaccine that you don't believe in? That you seem more cautious about? That you refuse to get?

Do you know what was in the other vaccines?
Do you know how they were produced?
Why did you accept them so willingly but not this one?

Do you know what goes into everything else that goes into or on your body (such as foods, drinks, make-up, cleansers, moisturisers, shower gels/creams, deodorants) and you're willing to carry on using them?

I think they are valid questions that need to be answered by anyone not stepping up to get the vaccine.

As a healthy 22 year old, you are absolutely right that you are unlikely statistically to be extremely ill or to die from C19.

But you are statistically even less likely to be ill or to die from the vaccine. If it's heart inflammation that's concerning you, you are FAR FAR more likely to get that from the virus than from the vaccine.

If it's blood clots that worry you, you are FAR FAR more likely to get those from being on the pill or from having the virus very badly, than from having the vaccine.

You work in close proximity to a range of patients, many of whom will be elderly and/or clinically vulnerable. Noone is guaranteed 100% protection from death or illness or transmitting the virus or from catching it, just by having the vaccine but it's VERY VERY clear indeed that people who are vaccinated have a vastly reduced risk of all of the above than people who are not.

Most of the people still dying in spite of being vaccinated are the very elderly and the extremely clinically vulnerable. We can't wrap all of society in cotton wool forever and we do have to try to live with the virus out there now, but we can exercise common sense by doing what we cn to mitigate risk and that means having the vaccine.

You choosing to be unvaccinated will increase the risk of YOU transmitting it to those vulnerable people and YOU helping to finish them off, even if YOU get off completely symptom free. Do you understand this?

The fact that they're having to "boost" these already just tells me how ineffective they are, and the cost is eye watering. We could be doing this still in 10 years time.........

We were having a discussion about this yesterday….how great a vaccine is it when 6 months after your second jab you have to have a booster. Is everyone going to have these boosters every 6 months for the next God knows how many years?