I have to have the vaccine or I loose my job

[wingingmumlife]

I am absolutely prepared to get flamed for this but I am really worrying.

I am 22 year years old, healthy and unvaccinated (by choice).

I am not anti-vax, I have had every single vaccine from being a child to now and my daughter is up to date with all of hers too.

I work in dentistry and myself and 4 other colleagues have been told we have to be fully vaccinated by April 2022 otherwise, we lose our jobs.

I just can't believe it has come to this. I feel like my human rights have been taken away. I'm not a conspiracy theorist and I am a big believer in science but as a genuine question ... Can someone please tell me why this vaccine is being pushed so much to the point where soon we probably won't be able to even go into a restaurant without having this vaccine?

I have to wear AGP PPE every single day for every single patient but this still isn't enough?

I test myself every single day, but this still isn't enough?

Can someone please help it make sense to me? That is a genuine question.

Im not looking for an argument and I'm not wanting anyone to tell me "how stupid I am" I just want this to make sense.

For anyone wondering why I haven't had the vaccine - the main reason being, I have severe health anxiety, ironic I know since most would think I'd jump for the vaccine, but at the moment I'm more scared of this vaccine then I am of catching Covid itself.

I just feel sick to my stomach at the thought of not having a job unless I have this vaccine, it really doesn't sit well with me but everyone on here seems to be supporting it?

@KimWexlersPonyTail

OP, what if you get Covid and they need to intubate you or you get long Covid but you are offered a miracle drug that they have just developed that can save you.

Would you have it? Or would you choose possible death or long term disability?

Do those on these boards not getting vaccinated know how excruciatingly painful intubation is? If you have health anxiety imagine having to wear those CPAP masks for possibly weeks in hospital ?

Agree. It’s amazing how many people I have met who were vaccine hesitant / had health anxiety until they ended up ill or in hospital with Covid, willing to accept any treatment offered…including very new treatments. If you would be willing to accept this, then why not the vaccine?

(I can’t do bold)….@Rej92 wrote “ wish people would branch away from main stream media and do research as the true story is so frightening”

Yeah, yeah it is. Young, fit, healthy people ARE dying from Covid. THAT is a fact.
Get the bloody jab! Get a Covid passport. PROTECT OTHER PEOPLE.
Or lose your job.

Simple.

Vax refusers fucking bug me.

I’d try and get help for your anxiety so you can get the vaccine.
One of my DC has a severe needle phobia and they still managed to get the vaccine. They gave consent, fainted when they saw the needle, was jabbed while unconscious and then woke up and was ok. The vaccination centre let them have their partner go in with them because of their needle phobia.

@Maskless

The question that all the pro-jabbers studiously avoid is, why are they letting these staff work through the winter season unjabbed? This makes no sense at all. These jabs have been available for months, so this mandate could have been put into place in time for the winter season. But no, they can work throughout that, unjabbed, and once it's over and we're coming into spring they have to get jabbed or be sacked.

This shows it's not about health but politics.

The overwhelming majority of NHS staff have already been vaccinated. For the 7% who have not been, there had to be the mandatory gap between first and second jabs, which is why the deadline cannot be before April.

Nevermind your job, that could be the least of your worries if you did catch Covid and took a bad turn. Just watched account of a young mum (unvaccinated) who lost 5 months of her life in an induced coma. All these testimonies always end with the unlucky survivor or their family pleading with the public to get the vaccine. You must have had cotton wool in your ears not to have heard these accounts over the last year.

I’m afraid if I knew that frontline staff at my dentists were not vaccinated (for personal choice rather than valid exemption reasons) I would actively change practise. I have an immuno compromised father who has survived cancer….I wouldn’t wish to take the risk. Sorry.

Just get the damn vaccine.

*Can somebody provide some studies RE vaccinated/unvaccinated transmission rates? Having Googled it, the most widely reported study done in the UK that keeps popping up shows that there is virtually no difference at all in transmission rates...

I would also like to know this. If you’re going to coerce thousands of people into having a vaccine they don’t want and exacerbating staff shortages you’d think you’d be damn sure that the data on transmission is clear that by being unvaccinated they are putting people at risk. I’d bet money that unvaccinated people are probably more aware and careful with hand washing and PPE too when working with the vulnerable. Lots of people have thrown all measures out of the window since having their jabs.*

Once you have Covid, there may be little difference in transmission rates. But if you're vaccinated, you're significantly less likely to get it, so less chance of passing it on!

As regards washing your hands when working with the vulnerable, I should bloody hope that EVERYONE who works with the vulnerable is careful about washing their hands!

As regards dentistry: on the one hand, people seeing the dentist are not as likely to be highly clinically vulnerable as those in hospitals and care homes. On the other hand, a dentist or dental nurse has to get very close to patients and into their mouth, and I wouldn't really want someone that close to my mouth for as long as dental treatment takes, unless I was fairly sure that they'd both been vaccinated and had regular tests.

But OP: if you are really unable to get vaccinated due to severe anxiety, perhaps you could be eligible for an exemption?

I would just get another job because if you are not the dentist your pay will be low anyway

It's for the safety and protection of your patients, and it sounds like you might need some therapy for your anxiety as that isn't normal. I would be unimpressed if my healthcare provider had refused a vaccine, but was allowed to participate in my medical/dental care. And if they didn't know it's "lose".

so if I was to go to the dentist and I hadn't ben anywhere else for 2 weeks before hand, the healthcare workers at he practice don't have a vaccination, the I catch covid19 of one worker as they hadn't had the vaccination. What would happen then, would it be a cause of well thats just the luck of the draw and your old. Then I die due to the dental work ending up giving me covid.

Op if that was you, what would you say to my family if you were placed in a room with them to explain? How would you Kindly explain to them why it had happened?

Not looking for an argument or being told im stupid, as it could happen. What Im curious about is what explanation would you give to my family?

@Cop26CopOut

I don’t know about dentists but staff in hospitals have had to have Hep B jabs as part of their contract for years. This isn’t new or unprecedented.

Exactly!

Over the weekend I suggest you write 2 lists for and against the vaccine for you.If you decide to not have the vaccine fair enough then look at jobs that pay a similar wage but don’t need the vaccine.There are plenty ie gardening or animal care.Really look at your choice maybe that will give you some idea of your working future.If you are not going to travel or go out much or mix and are happy with that then you have your answer.

@GreenLunchBox I understood it was compulsory.

@Sugarandtime

I’m so sad for you. It’s disgusting that there’s are trying to force you into something you are not comfortable doing. That should never happen, we spend years being told don’t do something you are not completely comfortable with and suddenly all that goes out of the window.

There is no acceptable reason for what they are doing. The benefits to those of us that have had the injections are that we can still catch and pass on the virus and hopefully if we do catch it that it won’t be as severe (that of course is something we will never know if it’s actually true or not). You could get it mildly without having had the injections.

The government’s own figures in their technical briefing reports aren’t exactly filling me with much confidence either.

Unfortunately a lot of people have been swallowed up in the divide and conquer that the msm and government have pushed so you will unfortunately find many saying it’s your choice,
A supposed choice you you never be forced to make.
Russian roulette basically.

Bang on.

Bearing In mind that you are a dental nurse. And are present for a lot of AGP's. You really should weigh up the very high risk of you getting covid from that. (Have you been fit tested for a mask?)

@ddl1

*Can somebody provide some studies RE vaccinated/unvaccinated transmission rates? Having Googled it, the most widely reported study done in the UK that keeps popping up shows that there is virtually no difference at all in transmission rates...

I would also like to know this. If you’re going to coerce thousands of people into having a vaccine they don’t want and exacerbating staff shortages you’d think you’d be damn sure that the data on transmission is clear that by being unvaccinated they are putting people at risk. I’d bet money that unvaccinated people are probably more aware and careful with hand washing and PPE too when working with the vulnerable. Lots of people have thrown all measures out of the window since having their jabs.*

Once you have Covid, there may be little difference in transmission rates. But if you're vaccinated, you're significantly less likely to get it, so less chance of passing it on!

As regards washing your hands when working with the vulnerable, I should bloody hope that EVERYONE who works with the vulnerable is careful about washing their hands!

As regards dentistry: on the one hand, people seeing the dentist are not as likely to be highly clinically vulnerable as those in hospitals and care homes. On the other hand, a dentist or dental nurse has to get very close to patients and into their mouth, and I wouldn't really want someone that close to my mouth for as long as dental treatment takes, unless I was fairly sure that they'd both been vaccinated and had regular tests.

But OP: if you are really unable to get vaccinated due to severe anxiety, perhaps you could be eligible for an exemption?

It's around a 55-60% reduction in transmission within a household, which is pretty significant.

www.bmj.com/content/374/bmj.n1960

Part of the science is incredibly simple too, if you've done GCSE Biology you should be able to put the pieces together:

Vaccine -> less likely to have symptoms -> less likely to sneeze/ cough -> less likely for someone else to inhale infected water droplets.

I don't believe people can get double vaccinated and then be so supportive of other people who don't want to get vaccinated.

There seems to be an awful lot of them on Mumsnet.

Just do it! I've had 2 AZ jabs so far, plus one Pfeizer with another one to come. Absolutely no side effects whatsoever! And I don't have any worry or fear about covid. It's taken all that away. You're overthinking OP.

Stop whining and get the vaccine, like literally billions of people around the world have done. If you're that anxious, get therapy. You're not a special snowflake that is more delicate and sensitive than everyone else, we all have fears and anxieties but dodging a vaccine during a pandemic isn't the answer here.

One person's health anxiety isn't managed by everyone else accommodating it. Your health anxiety is for you to manage, ringing your GP every day isn't OK.

@Kikkomam

I don't believe people can get double vaccinated and then be so supportive of other people who don't want to get vaccinated.

There seems to be an awful lot of them on Mumsnet.

Why not? Most of the younger people I know who are vaccinated did it so they could travel.