I have to have the vaccine or I loose my job

[wingingmumlife]

I am absolutely prepared to get flamed for this but I am really worrying.

I am 22 year years old, healthy and unvaccinated (by choice).

I am not anti-vax, I have had every single vaccine from being a child to now and my daughter is up to date with all of hers too.

I work in dentistry and myself and 4 other colleagues have been told we have to be fully vaccinated by April 2022 otherwise, we lose our jobs.

I just can't believe it has come to this. I feel like my human rights have been taken away. I'm not a conspiracy theorist and I am a big believer in science but as a genuine question ... Can someone please tell me why this vaccine is being pushed so much to the point where soon we probably won't be able to even go into a restaurant without having this vaccine?

I have to wear AGP PPE every single day for every single patient but this still isn't enough?

I test myself every single day, but this still isn't enough?

Can someone please help it make sense to me? That is a genuine question.

Im not looking for an argument and I'm not wanting anyone to tell me "how stupid I am" I just want this to make sense.

For anyone wondering why I haven't had the vaccine - the main reason being, I have severe health anxiety, ironic I know since most would think I'd jump for the vaccine, but at the moment I'm more scared of this vaccine then I am of catching Covid itself.

I just feel sick to my stomach at the thought of not having a job unless I have this vaccine, it really doesn't sit well with me but everyone on here seems to be supporting it?

At the end of the day oP you have a choice either get your vaccine and continue in your job or find a non healthcare related job. No one is forcing you to do anything

When I go to the dentist, I want the staff to be vaccinated. I really don’t get what your problem is. Millions have been vaccinated, just get the vaccine.

It's a global pandemic. The most serious peace time public health crisis since Spanish flu. The most serious health and social implications since WWII, ditto financial implications.

In order to get through the pandemic to recover from the health, social and economic costs, multiple measures need to be imposed at a society level (not just individual) to achieve this.

Vaccines cuts cases, serious cases, hospitalization and death at a society level. If everyone took the same choice as you, we'd be in the same position as we were in January. Lock down the only significant measure of control. We would have no hospital capacity to treat anything except Covid. If I had health anxiety, that would bother me tremendously.

PPE is another part of mitigation, along with testing and quarantining of +ve cases but not effective enough on its own.

A healthcare environment involving treating the mouths of patients must be amongst the riskiest for transmission.

Just as public health decisions and laws have been made in the past at a society level (eg: banning smoking indoors. The odd individual and the odd cigarette don't cause cancer, but the change improves health at a society level) a situation as serious as this needs to be similarly handled.

Im not looking for an argument and I'm not wanting anyone to tell me "how stupid I am" I just want this to make sense

Health service wants proactive preventative measures to protect patients, so healthcare workers have to have a range of vaccinations before they can work with these patients. Covid19 isn't the only vaccination for some healthcare workers.

You don't want to have the vaccination, so you can't continue to work in a healthcare setting. Therefore you will have to find other work

I was nursing over 40 years,had to have Hep,TB jabs, annual blood tests to check immune status. I have severe dental phobias following some complications requiring MaxFax surgery,I had it done because there was no choice. You need some therapy for your anxiety. My first decent dentist gave me sedation I weaned myself off. I know someone personally fit healthy young,no health issues got Covid March 2020, now brain injury and in a nursing home

@wingingmumlife OP, a 1970s experiment in Russia found that after 66 days of intense bad news and fear-mongering, people lose their ability to think rationally and accept what they are told. That is what governments have subjected us to for almost two years now.

Truth - covid is less likely to kill under 65s than flu. In a normal year, RSV kills babies and young children, and this receives little media attention. Viruses have always existed and have always had long effects in some people. Yet we have been conditioned to see covid as, in the words of one PP, a once-in-a-century disaster.

You sound intelligent and capable of weighing evidence. I hope you are able to use your judgement and stay sane throughout the madness and pressure.

Hi,

I 100% understand where you are coming from. This may not be the best forum for you as it seems most people are very pro vaccine when we have no long term research into how it will affect us, which to me is frightening that so many are so willing.
There are better places to seek advice. Private groups of nurses and doctors who are in the same predicament and people are trying to help ie writing legal letters etc so please don’t just give in if you don’t want to have the vaccine. It is your body and your choice, not the governments. Please let me know if you’d like to know where to go, happy to help.

I’m not anti vaccine, I’m a professional who just feels we need more information before surrending our rights to our health for a virus with a 99.7% survival rate!

What if most people were like you and didn’t get vaccinated? The country would be back in lockdown.

As other have mentioned the vaccine isn’t just about you and your personal risk, it’s to help the whole community.

Where I live we (South Australia) we don’t get any further easing of restrictions until 90% of the over 12 population has been fully vaccinated. That means masks, no dancing, no standing up to drink and restrictions on numbers at weddings, funerals and the number of people you can have in your home. Whether I agree with this or not my freedoms rely on enough other people being vaccinated. At this rate it won’t happen until January next year.

No, the vaccines aren’t perfect but they’re the best weapon we have right now.

As a health care worker I think our not getting vaccinated is foolish and selfish even if not mandated.

"You say no one is forcing me to have the vaccine but I already can't go to certain places unless I've had it. Look at Dublin, Ireland, you can't do anything over there unless you've had both vaccines. Want to visit a restaurant? Have to have had both vaccines. Want to visit a cinema? Have to have had both vaccines? Want to go into a supermarket? Have to have had both vaccines. That will happen here, then try and tell me no one is forcing me to have the vaccine. Come off it, seriously."

Good. The only way we are getting out of this is due to the vaccine and the bravery of all those who have overcome their nerves and had it. You don't want to do that? Fine. Don't share in society re-opening.

@bluetongue

What if most people were like you and didn’t get vaccinated? The country would be back in lockdown.

As other have mentioned the vaccine isn’t just about you and your personal risk, it’s to help the whole community.

Where I live we (South Australia) we don’t get any further easing of restrictions until 90% of the over 12 population has been fully vaccinated. That means masks, no dancing, no standing up to drink and restrictions on numbers at weddings, funerals and the number of people you can have in your home. Whether I agree with this or not my freedoms rely on enough other people being vaccinated. At this rate it won’t happen until January next year.

No, the vaccines aren’t perfect but they’re the best weapon we have right now.

As a health care worker I think our not getting vaccinated is foolish and selfish even if not mandated.

Yup, absolutely agree. I know a MW who isn't vaccinated and is putting pregnant women at risk. I hope she loses her job.

@BurntO

It’s not unheard of for certain vaccination requirements to be met in order to take part in certain things. It’s for the safety of everyone.

But if you have health anxiety rational points likely won’t change your position.

Exactly this.

Op you're asking people to rationalise something to someone with a condition that just isn't rational.

Anxiety can't be cured with being rational.

CBT can certainly help you separate the rational from the irrational and you can learn to control what you can't, and accept what you cannot.

But in terms of trying to make sense to you, and appealing to your health anxiety, you're asking us to turn water into wine.

The job you signed up for already had compulsory vaccinations, therefore when agreeing to this career path it is prudent to assume that any future vaccinations that are rolled out in the name of public health will also become mandatory.

Whether we personally agree or disagree is irrelevant.

Whether the level of protection it offers against spreading the virus is also irrelevant.

The fact is, it does help prevent the spread. By which degree is also completely irrelevant.

It's about doing as much as you can to protect others.

Otherwise that line of work is not for you.

You're entitled to as much time as you need to think about it, as long as it's within the timeframe set out by the government and your employer.

I think it was easiest to get the vaccine as soon as it came out. Now, having aligned to the vaccine refusenik camp, it's part of your identity and a huge anxiety for you. But..honestly, just book it in and get it done

I think it is a choice in a way though

I have to have a yellow fever vaccine to travel to certain countries for work. I could refuse and then not travel there, that's my choice. It would have an impact on my job and I would know that.

You could refuse to get vaccinated and find another job where you don't need the vaccine. Or get more treatment for your health anxiety. There are choices - they just may not be the ones you initially thought you had.

The risk is much lower now
Why? Because so many are vaccinated? If everybody took OP's stance then would you write that sentence?

Lots of talk of rights, but not much about responsibility.

My children have annual flu jabs (nasal) not because flu is a massive risk to them, but because they are doing it to protect others.

@Rej92 I really hope the OP sees your post at 8.48.

I’m so sad for you.
It’s disgusting that there’s are trying to force you into something you are not comfortable doing. That should never happen, we spend years being told don’t do something you are not completely comfortable with and suddenly all that goes out of the window.

There is no acceptable reason for what they are doing. The benefits to those of us that have had the injections are that we can still catch and pass on the virus and hopefully if we do catch it that it won’t be as severe (that of course is something we will never know if it’s actually true or not). You could get it mildly without having had the injections.

The government’s own figures in their technical briefing reports aren’t exactly filling me with much confidence either.

Unfortunately a lot of people have been swallowed up in the divide and conquer that the msm and government have pushed so you will unfortunately find many saying it’s your choice,
A supposed choice you you never be forced to make.
Russian roulette basically.

Spend a day with me and you’d be fighting to be at the front if the queue, because, believe me, you don’t want to get Covid and the youngest person I have treated was 18. He arrested three times with no previous history. Remember this isn’t flu. Personally I’ve had 2 jabs and a booster plus a number of other jabs that are mandatory to keep my PIN. Ultimately you have a choice. But as a health professional you need to make an informed decision based on the science.

@EvenRosesHaveThorns

I think it was easiest to get the vaccine as soon as it came out. Now, having aligned to the vaccine refusenik camp, it's part of your identity and a huge anxiety for you. But..honestly, just book it in and get it done

Clearly been taken In by the msm with your use of words. The OP has not been taken in by anyone as far as I can see, maybe you have?

OP, what if you get Covid and they need to intubate you or you get long Covid but you are offered a miracle drug that they have just developed that can save you.

Would you have it? Or would you choose possible death or long term disability?

Do those on these boards not getting vaccinated know how excruciatingly painful intubation is? If you have health anxiety imagine having to wear those CPAP masks for possibly weeks in hospital ?

Thank you @Flyonawalk me too. The world is madness at the moment. My Australian family are losing jobs over this, a fire fighter who has given his all for years going to be fired over this, many of them walking away, what will they do when the forest fires start and they have no one. Heart breaking.

People should remember that some of the doctors and nurses who have worked tirelessly for the last year will be losing their jobs over this. I wish people would branch away from main stream media and do research as the true story is so frightening.

Honestly OP, the vaccine passport rules and the requirements that health care workers be vaccinated exist to push people like yourself into getting vaccinated. I appreciate that in your case your health anxiety is making this decision much more difficult and generally causing you stress. But many young adults will have come to the same conclusion as you, that they would rather risk covid than risk a fairly new vaccine. And that’s not a totally unreasonable viewpoint for someone in your particular demographic (young, healthy, female etc). But from a public health perspective we need to have the vast majority of the population vaccinated to get the epidemic under control. So vaccination is being pushed hard. Vaccine passports do work. I am in France and a very high percentage of young adults have chosen to get vaccinated here so that they can continue to go to restaurants and bars and can start going to concerts and festivals. Without the push of requiring a vaccine passport, a large percentage probably would not have felt the vaccine was necessary for them.

I wish people would branch away from main stream media and do research as the true story is so frightening

Here we go.

I sympathise OP. The whole problem is you are not being given a choice - no-one is really - eventually, we won't be able to go to the cinema, go on holiday, go in a restaurant etc without a "covid passport". The vax is nearly mandatory isn't it?
What I don't get is why is an antibody test not an option? If people like yourself have had Covid I mean. And I do think we all need to be informed as to whether the vax helps with stopping the spread or not.
The rules seem to contradict themselves a bit.
Also, if the OP wants to "risk it" surely that is no different to me going out on my motorbike is it? I risk being killed or injured riding my bike, but am happy to take the risk.

Hi OP, I also suffer health anxiety and I wouldn’t wish it on my worst enemy, honestly it is hell. I couldn’t take anything in labor with the kids, I’m not able to take meds for anxiety, freak out about even Panadol, spend all my time on google convinced that every palpitation or headache is a death sentence.

The only way I was able to get vaccinated was by risk mitigation; what are my risks with getting covid v risks getting vaccinated. I studied every graph or report I could find. The admission for hospital to someone whose vaccinated was something like 10%, ICU was 7%, ventilator was 6%, heart issues with covid were a high probability with covid but very low if vaccinated and also treatable. Yes something could happen to me if I got vaccinated, which is awful, but if I got covid the outcome was so much worse I would be at a huge risk and it wasn’t something that could be anticipated or managed or controlled in any way, unlike being vaccinated.

I definitely understand the moral dilemma with being told to get vaccinated but honestly if you have health anxiety I wouldn’t hesitate to get vaccinated, you are a million times better off as you have a type of control and options and better outcomes that just aren’t available if you get covid.

@wingingmumlife

As it stands my options are:

1. Have the vaccine but knowing me I would be at the doctors everyday with a new symptom thinking I'm going to die.
2. Don't have the vaccine, but loose my job.

My manager told me today that the deadline for the first vaccination would be 3rd Feb in order to have had both by 1st April. I will wait until the very last minute and that's not me saying I will even have it yet. I'm a dental nurse and get paid just above minimum wage, so for me, it's not even worth it but obviously I have a profession still and was hoping to work my way up in my job so that would be out the window if I did decide to leave.

Maybe unvaccinated people are more likely to spread the virus, but not at my place of work. I am head to toe in PPE, literally sweating when I take it all off - we aren't short of PPE anymore either.

It just seems strange that they will happily let us work through winter unvaccinated but as long as we get both doses by April 1st which is the start of the NHS financial year then that's ok?

I am not saying I will never get this vaccine, but I would like to wait a little longer first.

There is no maybe about it. An unvaccinated person is much more likely to both catch covid and pass it on. The PPE you are wearing will only reduce not prevent the risk of transmission and lft only catch about 65% of cases.