Austria unvaccinated lockdown

[MRex]

How is this expected to actually work in practice? I have only seen basic UK news articles, interested mostly to understand the practical implications.

Personal views without knowing detail: I simply don't see any way this can be achieved without infringing on personal freedoms of unvaccinated and vaccinated quite significantly. I'm very pro-vax in general and for covid, but I hope the UK doesn't start anything like this, seems like it would just have anyone digging their heels in and cause a lot of social unrest issues.

@Lostinacloud

For me this is bollocks. I can’t be bothered to mince my words anymore, it’s utter bollocks. If Austria had just decreed that perhaps the over 65’s and immuno-compromised citizens should shield for a few months to get past winter then I could believe that their government had genuine health concerns for its people and were taking science and data based steps to protect those most likely to suffer serious illness and death from covid. But to just blanket confine unvaccinated people, many of whom might have already had covid without needing hospitalisation and many of whom might be under 40 and therefore extremely unlikely to die from covid or end up in hospital then I just can’t get on board with it. Instead I see it as nothing other than forced vaccination by coercion and removal of rights. Vaxxed or unvaxxed, I don’t care, nobody should be on board with this, it’s not right, end off.

Yes - I agree Lostinacloud

There's something disturbing going on. I have no idea what or why though.

I'm not into conspiracy theory stuff and can't stretch my head far enough to believe or imagine that there's a small group of (probably white men) trying to control us all for their own ends.

But this is clearly nothing to do with Covid anymore. They cloak it as that. But it just isn't.

A lot of this is like some sort of farce, in some countries the unvaccinated can't stand up and drink, in others they have to stand in the queue and not sit down. Sit down, stand up, who knows...

@Lostinacloud

For me this is bollocks. I can’t be bothered to mince my words anymore, it’s utter bollocks. If Austria had just decreed that perhaps the over 65’s and immuno-compromised citizens should shield for a few months to get past winter then I could believe that their government had genuine health concerns for its people and were taking science and data based steps to protect those most likely to suffer serious illness and death from covid. But to just blanket confine unvaccinated people, many of whom might have already had covid without needing hospitalisation and many of whom might be under 40 and therefore extremely unlikely to die from covid or end up in hospital then I just can’t get on board with it. Instead I see it as nothing other than forced vaccination by coercion and removal of rights. Vaxxed or unvaxxed, I don’t care, nobody should be on board with this, it’s not right, end off.

100%.

@bumbleymummy
Because the vaccine doesn’t actually mean that you’re necessarily a safer person to be around? You can still contract the virus and spread it
Its truly sad if you are so uninformed after nearly 20 months of data that you believe what you just wrote.
Its because of vaccines that we are not locked down right now and yet you display total ignorance of basic vaccine efficacy by spouting that thoughtless drivel above.

@Sian73
There's something disturbing going on. I have no idea what or why though

Eh I know, theres lots of uninformed people like yourself who wont read facts and make up theories??? Thats the disturbing bit.

@Sian73
Just - I think - Pippa’s mum is probably right. And if she’s relaxed about the vaccine and trusts her immune system I imagine she won’t be one of those locking herself up and away

No, she will be in hospital taking up a space that someone in dire need of a bed needs. Sorry Pippa I know its not your fault but people like your mum are at so much risk yet they get brainwashed.

[quote Colin56]@bumbleymummy
Because the vaccine doesn’t actually mean that you’re necessarily a safer person to be around? You can still contract the virus and spread it
Its truly sad if you are so uninformed after nearly 20 months of data that you believe what you just wrote.
Its because of vaccines that we are not locked down right now and yet you display total ignorance of basic vaccine efficacy by spouting that thoughtless drivel above.[/quote]
I hate to break it to you but what I wrote is correct. The vaccine doesn’t guarantee that you won’t be infected/transmit the virus so you’re not necessarily a safer person to be around just because you’ve had it. If you have the virus, regardless of whether you have been vaccinated or not, you are still a risk to others.

The vaccine is great at reducing personal risk of serious illness, thankfully, and yes, that is why we no longer need lockdowns to reduce the pressure on the nhs because we have been able to vaccinate the groups that were most likely to be hospitalised - the uptake was great in those groups. But sadly it is not as effective at preventing infection/transmission which is why vaccine passports are a load of nonsense.

And we don’t actually have 20 months of data on vaccine effectiveness btw. With all the studies that have been done/data reported and all the news reports discussing incidence of infection in double vaccinated people and the need for booster vaccines etc I’m surprised that you didn’t realise that vaccinated people could still be infected tbh.

[quote Colin56]@Sian73
Just - I think - Pippa’s mum is probably right. And if she’s relaxed about the vaccine and trusts her immune system I imagine she won’t be one of those locking herself up and away

No, she will be in hospital taking up a space that someone in dire need of a bed needs. Sorry Pippa I know its not your fault but people like your mum are at so much risk yet they get brainwashed.[/quote]
How do you know Pippa's mum will end up in hospital? Do you know something we don't?

@bumbleymummy
The reinfection stats on double vaxxed are currently 0.01%.
So vaccines are remarkably good at doing what they were designed to do. Infection and hospitalusation is driven primarily by unvaccinated. Thats fact.
I didnt say we had 20 months of data on vaccines. Read it again.

@XenoBitch
I know if you are in your 80's and unvaccinated and get infected your chances of ending up in hospital are remarkably higher than vaccinated.

@bumbleymummy
www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/conditionsanddiseases/articles/coronaviruscovid19infectionsurveytechnicalarticleanalysisofreinfectionsofcovid19/june2021

What are you worried about @Colin56?

You seem to be panicking.

@Skinnytailedsquirrel

The thing is that here in the UK we can see that the majority won't do what's asked unless it's law.

I haven't been on public transport since this started because of selfish idiots without masks and not giving a damn.

People wandering around John Lewis pushing past me without having the sense to wear masks.

We are a truly selfish country now.

Actually the U.K is very compliant. And has been the entire time. You do not have to wear masks now in shops - so people are not.

The uptake of vaccines have been terrific and vast vast majority of people took the guidance very seriously.

Some people have been scared to death over covid and every where they look they see 'dissenters" and welcome draconian measure which are imposing on peoples civil rights. In fact the U.K are too compliant and it worries me that the Government are now taking advantage of that.Once our civil rights are gone - they are gone.

We should absolutely not create a two tier society over a vaccine for a virus which its only serious for the very small minority.

[quote Colin56]@XenoBitch
I know if you are in your 80's and unvaccinated and get infected your chances of ending up in hospital are remarkably higher than vaccinated.[/quote]
It is not a given either. Most people in their 80s with Covid were fine at home.

This new thing in Austria is not just the unvaccinated not being able to go to restaurants etc.. it is them not being allowed to leave home.
If you are in the UK, ask yourself why you think this would be a good idea here. The unvaccinated will be flung back to March 2020 days.

Those conspiracy theories are becoming reality.

@Mantlemoose

Those conspiracy theories are becoming reality.

They are. Now, who didn't laugh at them last year? Now they are becoming the reality.

@Lostinacloud

For me this is bollocks. I can’t be bothered to mince my words anymore, it’s utter bollocks. If Austria had just decreed that perhaps the over 65’s and immuno-compromised citizens should shield for a few months to get past winter then I could believe that their government had genuine health concerns for its people and were taking science and data based steps to protect those most likely to suffer serious illness and death from covid. But to just blanket confine unvaccinated people, many of whom might have already had covid without needing hospitalisation and many of whom might be under 40 and therefore extremely unlikely to die from covid or end up in hospital then I just can’t get on board with it. Instead I see it as nothing other than forced vaccination by coercion and removal of rights. Vaxxed or unvaxxed, I don’t care, nobody should be on board with this, it’s not right, end off.

So, you're saying confine the vulnerable and elderly instead of the unvaccinated, who are - and this is known so don't bother arguing the point - spreading Covid at greater rates?

Remembering it isn't a choice to be vulnerable or elderly. It is a choice to be unvaccinated.

*So, you're saying confine the vulnerable and elderly instead of the unvaccinated, who are - and this is known so don't bother arguing the point - spreading Covid at greater rates?

Remembering it isn't a choice to be vulnerable or elderly. It is a choice to be unvaccinated*

The vulnerable and elderly are the ones that end up in hospital. So they are the ones who, for their own safety, be locked down.

@XenoBitch

*So, you're saying confine the vulnerable and elderly instead of the unvaccinated, who are - and this is known so don't bother arguing the point - spreading Covid at greater rates?

Remembering it isn't a choice to be vulnerable or elderly. It is a choice to be unvaccinated*

The vulnerable and elderly are the ones that end up in hospital. So they are the ones who, for their own safety, be locked down.

They end up in hospital primarily because of unvaccinated people.

The old people generally end up in hospital because they are old, it has been and always will be the case

@User5632986

The old people generally end up in hospital because they are old, it has been and always will be the case

🙄 Some days. Honestly. And not all vulnerable people are old.

@XenoBitch

This new thing in Austria is not just the unvaccinated not being able to go to restaurants etc.. it is them not being allowed to leave home. If you are in the UK, ask yourself why you think this would be a good idea here. The unvaccinated will be flung back to March 2020 days.

Yes it is more severe than other countries

I wonder how it’s gone down in Austria. Whether people are just booking vaccine now or not

@Mantlemoose

Those conspiracy theories are becoming reality.

1a. Lab Leak 1b. the US funded the lab leak

1. Mandatory vaccinations/vaccine passports
2. Elimination of cash
3. Global digital ID
4. Climate lockdowns

@XenoBitch

This new thing in Austria is not just the unvaccinated not being able to go to restaurants etc.. it is them not being allowed to leave home. If you are in the UK, ask yourself why you think this would be a good idea here. The unvaccinated will be flung back to March 2020 days.

Sadly I think a lot of people would be O.K with that. Ester Ranson on TV saying that if you are elderly and unvaccinated to not go to A&E if they urgent medical help - even heart attack. She said they should all think about the choice they have made.

The way people have supported "no vax no job' with rigour despite there now being 60,000 less care home staff to look after people whilst we are heading in to flu season. A care home worker who refused to have the vaccine because she was going through the IVF process and couldn't get a definitive answer if it was safe stated that it just wasn't worth it for her and she can get more money on the til in Aldi.

I honestly think people have lost their minds.