Vaccines to be compulsory for front line medical staff

[bumbleymummy]

www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-59215282

The covid vaccine, but not the flu vaccine. Although, I suppose the door has been opened for that one now too. They’re being given until spring. I wonder if there will be a massive walk out before winter. If you thought you were going to lose your job come spring, why would you work your ass off all winter? This could majorly backfire.

@gogohm

At my dp's DD's care home 100% of staff were vaccinated by April because they cared about their residents. The vaccine isn't perfect but it's better than nothing. I can't believe they are leaving right through the winter to mandate it

What about people who can prove they have antibodies after being infected or people that are testing regularly? How are they any worse than someone who has been vaccinated but may still have the virus?

I would rather be treated by vaccinated medical professionals. I really don't want to be treated by someone who doesn't trust in science.

in Italy in some factories - this is how it works - you have a green pass if you are fully vaccinated

if you are not you have to take a test EVERY day before entering work in your own time .
If you refuse to do that your job is left open but you are not paid .

but at the moment the science on antibody protection is not as comprehensive as the vaccine - they have to prioritise with these statistics .

they are gathering information at the moment though .

Good. Finally.

So is Spring going to be a movable date as it spans 3 months.

BMJ has published a paper from a whistleblower about Pfizer vaccine trials bordering on criminal. I have had both AZ jabs and am due a third jab which I have booked. But this is not good there is a calculated gamble and probably necessary safety shortcuts have been taken during their development. This is a godsend to the hardline anti-vaxxers and their hesitancy. Given that all the current vaxes are far from sterilising at stopping onward transmission it seems now to be absurd to insist that care workers must have the jab or lose their jobs given that the greatest risk appears to be themselves rather than any patients.

www.bmj.com/content/375/bmj.n2635

Dr John is similarly concerned.

but at the moment the science on antibody protection is not as comprehensive as the vaccine - they have to prioritise with these statistics

Actually we have longer term data on immunity after infection than immunity after vaccination (because people were being infected with the virus long before the vaccine was introduced). There are several studies showing that it lasts 9+ months in the majority and that reinfection is rare. In clinical trials, we measure antibody levels to determine whether the vaccine is considered protective or not. I’m not sure why you think we can’t apply the same principles to antibody levels after infection. (And I know that antibodies aren’t the full immunity story - even if antibody levels wane your may still have t-cell immunity)

@backasecondtime because they couldn't manage winter pressures with less staff, hence date being April!

healthcare in any setting is not a job, its a vocation ! you don't do it for the money you do it because you genuinely care for other people , im hoping this new rule will finally get rid of all the shit carers !!! you don't want to protect and save lives then go work somewhere else !

so the government got slammed for not protecting care home residents and NHS staff - now even though it is late in the day they are trying to protect those people that is wrong as well .

The government are using this and the controversy around it to divert questions away from what happened at the start - and is still happening.
They have answered the lack of PPE, proper isolation and ventilation, lack of beds and resources with mandatory vaccination - none of those things will be sorted out by mandatory vaccination and they're a huge reason for the infection and death rates.

While everyone is arguing about selfish care and NHS workers and mandatory vaccination, no one is interested in addressing the things that are really wrong, that have been wrong for years and that will cost a lot of money to fix, and for which covid was the tipping point.

And yes, I'm fully vaccinated.

Sounds as if this won’t be the case in Wales.

Yes, it's only England.

In England only this is. The title should be amended.

Only England for the moment, give it time.

I’m of the opinion that it should be mandatory for everyone joining the healthcare profession now. If you want to work in healthcare in any capacity then you need to be jabbed, unless you are exempt on medical grounds. Existing staff should all ideally be jabbed too, but I am in two minds about whether it should be forced. As a recent chemotherapy patient I would have been terrified had the staff been against vaccines.

@Diplodocus2021

It will not stop at the nhs and care workers. People scoffed at so called conspiracy theorists when they spoke about mandatory vaccines and vaccine passports and now it is happening. There will be mandatory vaccinations for everyone in the UK before we know it and I know that people will be cheering this on, but once you have waived the right over your own body honestly what is left. I fear for the future. You have a vaccine that doesn’t stop transmission and doesn’t stop you from becoming sick from the virus and not only that but you need a booster after just 6 months (so three vaccines for the same thing within a year) with no long term data and yet people are going to be bullied into this to “protect” others. It’s insanity and no one will convince me otherwise.

I agree with this. First care workers, then nhs staff. Soon it will be all office staff, hospitality staff, retail staff, etc.

People won't be able to work unless they have a vaccine or are medically exempt.

@xxxGirlCrushxxx

Companies cannot 'insist' ... what will they do, sack someone? What for?

There have been care workers who have been sacked for not having the vaccine.

@bumbleymummy just like they brought in vaccine passports? Boris will scrap it in March, its just to push the few that will have it to save their career into doing so!

@RachC2021 but why? It doesn't stop them giving you covid, if anything it masks their symptoms and helps the spread, especially in children 12+ my niece is vaccinated she's 14 she still brought it home to her nan, who is also vaccinated and she was very unwell but my niece had 0 symptoms more than likely because she had the vaccine.

People need to realise Covid isn't going anywhere even if you have 3 jabs, my neighbour had a fall 3 weeks ago he was taken to hospital, he is now dead because he got covid IN the hospital, but he was vaccinated and so were the staff as he was on an elderly ward.

@bg21

healthcare in any setting is not a job, its a vocation ! you don't do it for the money you do it because you genuinely care for other people , im hoping this new rule will finally get rid of all the shit carers !!! you don't want to protect and save lives then go work somewhere else !

I don't know why they bother paying us at all tbh. We're simply a means to make sure that those who need it are looked after, not people in our own right with wants, needs and bills to pay. It's not like we're people too, we simply exist to provide care to others. Getting a bit above our station thinking we're humans and should be treated as such aren't we?!

@Getyourarseofffthequattro

Do you have to go to a trained hcp to take your daily medication *@Mynameismargot* ?

I think the person with an agenda here is you. I don't have an agenda at all, I've been vaccinated.

Oh no! You've rumbled me and my agenda to call out dramatic bollocks when I see it! You are just too clever

It's not dramatic it's just a fact? Buy a thesaurus. @Mynameismargot

Ha I mean a dictionary. Or do I! I don't even bloody know. Maybe I need a thesaurus