Vaccines to be compulsory for front line medical staff

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www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-59215282

The covid vaccine, but not the flu vaccine. Although, I suppose the door has been opened for that one now too. They’re being given until spring. I wonder if there will be a massive walk out before winter. If you thought you were going to lose your job come spring, why would you work your ass off all winter? This could majorly backfire.

Do you have to go to a trained hcp to take your daily medication @Mynameismargot ?

I think the person with an agenda here is you. I don't have an agenda at all, I've been vaccinated.

Also @Mynameismargot an vaccination (in terms of COVID jabs) is NOT a medication. They are entirely different.

I think it is you who is entirely lacking in understanding here.

It will not stop at the nhs and care workers. People scoffed at so called conspiracy theorists when they spoke about mandatory vaccines and vaccine passports and now it is happening. There will be mandatory vaccinations for everyone in the UK before we know it and I know that people will be cheering this on, but once you have waived the right over your own body honestly what is left. I fear for the future. You have a vaccine that doesn’t stop transmission and doesn’t stop you from becoming sick from the virus and not only that but you need a booster after just 6 months (so three vaccines for the same thing within a year) with no long term data and yet people are going to be bullied into this to “protect” others. It’s insanity and no one will convince me otherwise.

It's part of the faux-intelligent speak these types have adopted to give themselves airs when making their stupid claims. No-one prior to now has ever referred to getting a vaccine for themselves, their child, or their dog, cat or horse as 'a medical procedure'.

@milkyaqua

It's part of the faux-intelligent speak these types have adopted to give themselves airs when making their stupid claims. No-one prior to now has ever referred to getting a vaccine for themselves, their child, or their dog, cat or horse as 'a medical procedure'.

So what is it if it's not a medical procedure?

By definition it is a medical procedure.

It is getting an injection. It is called being vaccinated or immunised. No one says, pompously, I am going to the doctor for a medical procedure to refer to these actions. Getting your blood taken for a blood test - a medical procedure, by definition, also - but not again something that any normal person would refer to as such. It is jumped up language for people who parrot what they read on social media, and are using such ridiculous phrasing to sound authoritative and to dramatise their stance.

@milkyaqua

It is getting an injection. It is called being vaccinated or immunised. No one says, pompously, I am going to the doctor for a medical procedure to refer to these actions. Getting your blood taken for a blood test - a medical procedure, by definition, also - but not again something that any normal person would refer to as such. It is jumped up language for people who parrot what they read on social media, and are using such ridiculous phrasing to sound authoritative and to dramatise their stance.

Nobody is saying you call it a medical procedure. They're saying it is. One.

An injection is called an injection but by definition it is a medical procedure.

A smear test is called a smear test but it's a medical procedure. So is a blood test.

In my mind, it's a medical procedure if you'd only want a hcp to do it. For instance I don't want someone untrained to vaccinate me or take my blood or perform a smear test.

It's not making it scary, or discouraging people to do it, it's fact. You cannot dispute the fact that it is a medical procedure like many other non scary every day medical procedures.

It's an everyday medical procedure and I don't believe there is anything wrong with stating that as a fact.

The issue here is that you're actively trying to minimise it, in the same way that you think anti vaxxers are trying to make it a big scary thing. You're doing the opposite. Pot and kettle.

Nobody is saying you call it a medical procedure.

Yes, they are. On this very thread!

@milkyaqua

Nobody is saying you call it a medical procedure.

Yes, they are. On this very thread!

No they're refering to it as a medical procedure, because it is one.

And actually I don't see anything wrong with saying 'i am taking my child for a medical procedure" when that is actually the case.

Medical procedure does not mean big and scary.

The more I read the crosser I get😤. NHS front line staff were cannon fodder/disposable in march 2020. Everyone else was 'stay home and stay safe' but OK for us to risk our lives! Somebody high up must have known we should be wearing ffp3 masks/full PPE for aerosol generating procedures in view of what was going on in Italy at the time but this was not told to us lowly workers! Hence me getting large viral dose 2 weeks before lockdown and very ill (many nhs workers did not survive😢), I was lucky to survive being over 60. Now the crisis is partially under control we are disposable again unless we comply.................oh wait though, we'll just let them get us through winter pressures first!!!!!

Ok so I think I finally get it. I am selfish for not having the vaccine because I have a bit of a higher chance of passing on the covid virus to a person who is vaccinated and therefore should be protected, even though a vaccinated person can pass it on to but that is selfish however it is not selfish to bully and threaten someone into having something they aren’t yet comfortable with for what ever personal reason. Yeah makes sense.

Nobody is being bullied, they are being told they will not be allowed to work in a medical setting unless they are vaccinated. And rightly so.

Of course they are being bullied. The vaccine doesn’t stop you getting it or passing it on it minimises your symptoms and stops you getting so ill! So I could pass Covid on to anyone even though I’m fully vaccinated and if they are fully vaccinated that should help to protect them. I just don’t understand the logic at all of treating the unvaccinated as if they are leper’s or outcasts when being vaccinated does not stop you getting it or passing it on! Surely regular testing is the most important thing whether you are vaccinated or not!

It’s ridiculous they’ve worked in a medical setting throughout the entire pandemic. There aren’t enough NHS workers as it is and now we’re going to fire the unvaccinated because they have a higher rate of spreading a virus to people that are vaccinated that can also spread the virus. IT MAKES NO SENSE!

Why are these unvaccinated safe to work in NHS now, surely they should be put on some sort of gardening leave until they have had their jabs. Why Spring, why not at the same time as care workers.

The vast majority of healthcare workers are already vaccinated. Those who don't want it will be fired and replaced by workers from abroad. Sad but true.

“So you compare getting your kids immunised to a kid get an operation on their cleft palate? You would say yes, my child had a medical procedure this week too, they got their jabs?”

Surely, you would not say “I’m going for a medical procedure” (and then just getting an injection). For shame! 🤣 Get a grip!

All this jabby business is pathetic, I don’t care if someone has had it or not. You still catch it, you still pass it on.

Much like the covid pass, what IS the point. Someone who isn’t vaccinated could get a negative PCR and meanwhile I waltz in the venue with my covid pass, possibly having covid or even knowing I have covid (because people are not staying in trust me!) It’s bonkers!

Backasecondtime that was exactly what I was thinking, if they are making it mandatory do it now! Don't wait we are heading into the worst season. Of course they are worried about staff leaving before they deal with the worst yet.

I am an NHS nurse and fully vaxxed I just wish as may people as possible would have the vaccine we have more covid patients in ITU now than we have had for months, we have them on the wards which puts pressure in beds. We are all dreading the winter, it's horrific at work now. I sort of think if we have to be vaxxed so should all the visitors and patients to the hospital, like a 2 way protection really mb

Fwiw my trust still insist on staff isolation if family members have symptoms or test positive so this won't change that.

About time, the vaccine is our best defence

What a strange comment. In what way is your husband at risk from this Dr? If your DH is vaccinated it shouldn’t matter, if anything he is probably more of a risk to his unvaccinated colleague.

I think your comment is far stranger.

At my dp's DD's care home 100% of staff were vaccinated by April because they cared about their residents. The vaccine isn't perfect but it's better than nothing. I can't believe they are leaving right through the winter to mandate it

so the government got slammed for not protecting care home residents and NHS staff - now even though it is late in the day they are trying to protect those people that is wrong as well .

I appreciate the freedom of wanting to wait before deciding about the vaccine but there have been 1.7 billion doses of AZ - so how long do you want to wait ?

And what about the rest of us , who ,if you believe there is a risk with the vaccine, had to bite the bullet to protect our own vunerable members of our families ?

@Backasecondtime

Why are these unvaccinated safe to work in NHS now, surely they should be put on some sort of gardening leave until they have had their jabs. Why Spring, why not at the same time as care workers.

Yep. Clearly they’re not that concerned about the risk to patients or they wouldn’t be allowing them to work over winter when hospitals are usually full of vulnerable patients with respiratory illnesses.

@gogohm

yes and some care homes are super super careful - even making sure you do an LFt every time you visit - and use their masks and PPE when visiting .

quite right too .