More people in hospital now are vaccinated than unvaccinated?

[PeppaNeedsToBeWrappedInBacon]

Can someone give me some stats behind this?

Someone has just told me that more vaccinated people are being hospitalised with covid than unvaccinated at the moment.

I’m only after facts, no opinions. Keep it unbiased. I’ve just tried to google this myself but between finding a reliable article, my screaming 2 year old and my pregnancy brain fog(it just plain exhaustion) - I can’t find much about this?

Is it true, if it’s true does this mean the vaccine isn’t working? I’m fully vaccinated.. just curious as it’s being debated on a local article at the moment.

@MercyBooth

I will not be complying with any more lockdowns if they happen.

The vaccine mandate for care home workers will contribute to the problem

I was told i cant have the second vaccine because i had Moderna as my first and they wont mix them. I tried TWICE on the 26th September and the 6th November.

They can shove their gaslighting up their arse.

👏

@MercyBooth

I will not be complying with any more lockdowns if they happen.

The vaccine mandate for care home workers will contribute to the problem

I was told i cant have the second vaccine because i had Moderna as my first and they wont mix them. I tried TWICE on the 26th September and the 6th November.

They can shove their gaslighting up their arse.

Is there a problem with Moderna? My daughter had both Moderna doses.

Is there a problem with Moderna? My daughter had both Moderna doses

Vaccine is perfectly safe but there is a supply problem so hard to get second doses.

@nukeitfromorbit

Is there a problem with Moderna? My daughter had both Moderna doses

Vaccine is perfectly safe but there is a supply problem so hard to get second doses.

Ah, ok. Thanks. In fact was just reading people wanting Moderna, and people saying in some areas that's all that's being offered because there's so much of it stockpiled. I'm AZ, dp Pfizer, and DD Moderna. All done in the space of about 14 days. It just seemed to depend what they had in the fridge.

[quote nukeitfromorbit]@1dayatatime show us your counter evidence then ...[/quote]
Errr - the counter evidence is in the same ONS article as posted. All I did was to read the actual article rather than just grab the headline.

[quote PAFMO]@1dayatatime.

It's a C&p from the ONS report. Maybe take it up with them.[/quote]
Yes it's a copy and paste of just the article headline.

All I did was to read the actual article which then gave an explanation of exactly why suicide rates were lower in 2020 compared to 2017-2019.

Our local hospitals (2 sites) are overwhelmed. I know this because Dh works there. But anyway they communicate it all regularly to the public. They’ve had to create 3 new wards for Covid patients (with very few staff), ITU is hectic. As Dh put it it’s “Deathcon 5”!!
If it wasn’t for the vaccine things would be even worse. Vaccines definitely work. Complacency is our enemy now.

Complacency would look like our obese PM waddling maskless around some random northern hospital instead of facing the music in Parliament. Hexham - today - let the bodies pile high.

There still hasn't been an increase in suicides now that the registrations have caught up.

"The suicide rate in the second quarter of 2021 was statistically significantly higher than the rate in the second quarter of 2020, when there were 7.0 registered suicides per 100,000.

The ONS said the increase reflects the resumption of coroners’ inquests, following disruption during the coronavirus crisis, rather than a genuine increase in suicides."

The stats on people in hospital who have been vaccinated does beg the question…..the unspeakable question…..whether these people are in hospital with COVID or because of COVID.

I realise it’s heresy to ask that question

You're looking at hospital admissions, not hospital admissions for treatment for covid.

@Summerfun54321

🙋🏻‍♀️ Because poor sods like me are high risk, have young kids mixing at school now and have STILL not been offered a booster. The media makes it look like boosters are sat there waiting for us but if your GP was slow to roll out the 1st vaccines, then 6 months haven’t passed since your 2nd vaccine and you aren’t allowed the booster yet.

And if six month haven't elapsed, you probably don't really need one!

Apparently the vast majority of those hospitalised with Covid wore underwear. Going commando will therefore stop you getting Covid!

@CornishGem1975

Sadly many of the 'excess deaths' aren't just COVID. Suicide, cancer deaths...due to lockdowns. Even the stillbirth rate rose during 2020.

From what I’m reading an extremely high number of excess deaths are coming from heart attacks in all ages but young adults in particular.

They don’t know what th

The cause is yet - I meant to say.

More anti-vaxxers than viruses here these days here. I know what the cause is t'internet.

@vera99

Complacency would look like our obese PM waddling maskless around some random northern hospital instead of facing the music in Parliament. Hexham - today - let the bodies pile high.

I always feel sorry for hospital staff having to meet him, I would flatly refuse!

From what I’m reading an extremely high number of excess deaths are coming from heart attacks in all ages but young adults in particular.

Covid is known to cause heart attacks. It also causes strokes, sepsis, pneumonia.

Studies a while back found a significant number - about a third - of apparently recovered Covid patients died within 2-6 months of discharge from hospital.

@Tealightsandd

Are we using monoclonal antibody treatment in the UK?

Yes.

Sadly many of the 'excess deaths' aren't just COVID. Suicide, cancer deaths...due to lockdowns. Even the stillbirth rate rose during 2020.

Covid infection has been linked to stillbirth.

With the suicides. I've read of several cases where it happened because of Covid or fear of catching it. And with the high numbers of NHS staff off sick with PTSD, it's fair to assume some of the suicides are linked to that.

Cancer deaths. Because of lockdowns? Er, no. Quite the opposite. Sadly the lack of mitigations against Covid (in the UK) have led to delayed diagnosis and treatment for cancer and other illnesses. That's what happens when hospitals are at capacity with Covid patients and staff off sick with Covid, Long Covid, or PTSD.

That's good news @WiseUpJanetWeiss

I understand supply (worldwide) is limited, and assume therefore treatment has to be rationed?

With the suicides. I've read of several cases where it happened because of Tealightsandd

“Covid or fear of catching it. And with the high numbers of NHS staff off sick with PTSD, it's fair to assume some of the suicides are linked to that.”

I’ve heard/read several reports from pretty credible sources that suicides have actually been lower than average during the pandemic overall and particularly during lockdowns (in the UK).

I read the same thing @MrsSkylerWhite

It's something the 'let the bodies pile up high' brigade like to ignore.

@hamstersarse

The stats on people in hospital who have been vaccinated does beg the question…..the unspeakable question…..whether these people are in hospital with COVID or because of COVID.

I realise it’s heresy to ask that question

It's a good question that I can't find a full answer to. However, according to the ONS, 1 in 50 people had Covid last week. If Covid was not a factor in hospitalisation 1 in 50 patients could be expected to be infected....

I believe c.5,800 people were hospitalised with Covid. Were Covid inconsequential, there would have been 5,800 x 50 = 290,000 hospitalisations last week! Given there are c.4,000 critical care beds and 14,000 intermediate care beds available in the NHS, it's fair to deduce that most Covid admissions are as a result of Covid infection .

But separately, the reasons for suicide are many and varied, and when it comes to Covid related suicides it's as likely to be because of 'let the bodies pile up' approach. As well as fear of Covid and/or PTSD, bereavement is another trigger for some people.