More people in hospital now are vaccinated than unvaccinated?

[PeppaNeedsToBeWrappedInBacon]

Can someone give me some stats behind this?

Someone has just told me that more vaccinated people are being hospitalised with covid than unvaccinated at the moment.

I’m only after facts, no opinions. Keep it unbiased. I’ve just tried to google this myself but between finding a reliable article, my screaming 2 year old and my pregnancy brain fog(it just plain exhaustion) - I can’t find much about this?

Is it true, if it’s true does this mean the vaccine isn’t working? I’m fully vaccinated.. just curious as it’s being debated on a local article at the moment.

www.bmj.com/content/374/bmj.n2306

^This article from the bmj is helpful.
What effect have higher vaccination rates had on these trends?
SAGE noted that most patients admitted to hospital with covid after 16 June 2021 were fully vaccinated.5 Public Health England said that even with a “highly effective vaccine” this was expected, given the high rate of vaccine uptake and a policy of vaccinating higher risk people first. In its latest surveillance report Public Health England emphasised that the rate of hospital admissions and death from covid remained “substantially greater” in unvaccinated than in vaccinated people.6 For example, between the week beginning Monday 16 August 2021 and the week ending Sunday 12 September, the rate of hospital admissions of over 80s was 50.5 per 100 000 in the fully vaccinated and 143.9 per 100 000 in the unvaccinated, while deaths were 45.5 and 145.4 per 100 000, respectively. These trends were seen across the board. For example, for 60-69 year olds the hospital admission rates were 13.5 per 100 000 in the fully vaccinated and 74.3 per 100 000 in the unvaccinated, while deaths were 4.1 and^

The higher the rate of vaccination is in a population the more likely that there will be more vaccinated than non vaccinated people ending up in hospital purely because there less non vaccinated around to be infected or admitted.

i.e. if every single person in the UK was vaccinated then 100% of breakthrough infections would be in vaccinated people which is not the same as saying the vaccine doesn't work.

If you want a better idea of vaccine effectiveness have a look at the latest ONS figures which show that once the data is adjusted by age and underlying medical condition you are 32 x more likely to die of Covid if you are unvaccinated than if you have a vaccine.

Vaccines work the data is refutable.

@FreshFreesias

Obviously the vax doesn’t work

What a load of rubbish.

@FreshFreesias

Obviously the vax doesn’t work

And this is the level of scientific and mathematical illiteracy we are up against.

Not in the hospital I work in. Of the covid inpatients, 80-90% unvaccinated

I’m be more interested as to whether the vaccinated hospital admissions are less severely Ill than the unvaccinated. Surely that’s the important bit.

Immunity varies from person to person. Both with having covid and with the vaccine.
My predication has always been around December we will have immunity wearing off from the vaccine and more vaccinated people in hospital with covid. I think mid-late next month it will be clearer. They already know immunity is waning from the vaccine, hence boosters. Eventually they'll just do the priority groups a vaccine once a year like they do with flu.

wonder if there’s a feeling amongst some of the double jabbed that they’re somehow immune. That and the lax attitude around mask wearing. there will be an element of that, but it’s always been made clear that you can still catch COVID if vaccinated but that you’re less likely to suffer severe complications.

It’s worth bearing in mind that many of the people being admitted to hospital will have been admitted for other reasons and then tested positive.

The figure to look at more closely is the number of deaths, not the number of admissions.

Bear in mind that someone can be admitted overnight for some oxygen and then discharged again the next morning but they will come up as a hospital admission. But in terms of the seriousness/longevity of the admission they are not categorised. It’s just a hospital admission, among all other hospital admissions.

The question would be, how many people are now ventilated, how many are dying, and among those, how many were unvaccinated.

🙋🏻‍♀️ Because poor sods like me are high risk, have young kids mixing at school now and have STILL not been offered a booster. The media makes it look like boosters are sat there waiting for us but if your GP was slow to roll out the 1st vaccines, then 6 months haven’t passed since your 2nd vaccine and you aren’t allowed the booster yet.

If 100% of people were vaccinated, then 100% of deaths would be to the vaccinated. Numbers can be interpreted and presented in so many different ways. Context is important.

@Summerfun54321

🙋🏻‍♀️ Because poor sods like me are high risk, have young kids mixing at school now and have STILL not been offered a booster. The media makes it look like boosters are sat there waiting for us but if your GP was slow to roll out the 1st vaccines, then 6 months haven’t passed since your 2nd vaccine and you aren’t allowed the booster yet.

Your logic is wrong, it doesn't matter that your first and second jabs were later than you expected if it was less than 6 months ago you aren't due a booster. Why do you feel at greater risk? You aren't being hard done to until or unless you are overdue for your booster, not yet due is a totally different thing

@PurpleDaisies

Base rate fallacy.

The More or Less podcast is really good on this.

Most drivers wear seatbelts. Most people who end up in hospital after a car crash will have worn one. That doesn’t mean that seatbelts don’t work. You need to compare the proportion of people wearing seatbelts and those not wearing seatbelts to see that.

Great explanation

Maybe they’ve not had their booster?

I’m 5 1/2 months vaccinated, can’t get my booster for another 3 weeks so I’m being very careful until then.

Maybe they’re not?

Obviously the vax doesn’t work

The vaccination isn't 100% effective. However, it works for the vast majority of people.

The vast majority of people are vaccinated. So, it isn't that surprising that there are more vaccinated people in hospital than non-vaccinated.

Eventually 100% of vaccinated people will die (and also 100% of unvaccinated people will die) because eventually we will all die.

Also vaccination is not spread equally amongst the population. 100% of under 12’s will not be vaccinated (but they are least like to end up in hospital), plus not all 12-15’s have even been offered one vaccination yet (but again are very unlikely to end up in hospital). Vaccination rates are highest in the older age groups but older age groups are also the most likely to end up hospital anyway due to underlying ill health and old age.

A few nights ago on Sky news which I only had on in background, there was a discussion about this and I heard newscaster say it was because many elderly people who had first 2 vaccines have not gone in for booster jab and after 5-6 months vaccines wear off. They moved on to discuss why so many elderly were not bothering with booster jab. Apparently many in hospital very ill are again the elderly.

@TragicRabbit Blaming the public for a virus FFS! Many have had trouble accessing vaccines due to logistics. But ppl like you dont want to talk about that because it interferes with your narrative.

@caringcarer They are gaslighting.

Chris
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Chance would be a fine thing. For my very elderly in-laws to get their booster they would need a 70 mile round trip that they are not fit enough to undertake. As a result no booster even though well past the date they should have had it.

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Chance would be a fine thing. I know old and ailing oldies who queued for hours for booster in the last fortnight after making endless phone calls for one. Cancer patients need four.

Bored In Lockdown
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Had my appointment through for it. 5 weeks late..should of been Oct 28th, none avaliable till 4th December!!

Allison Dawson
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Just to point most people who want a booster have been trying to get one. The problem is until 6 months and 1 week you couldn’t and as if you’re elderly and you get a letter telling you to log on and book, you might not be able to. It’s about accessibility not will!

@SirensofTitan My logic is backed up by the BBC article out today about increased risk and waning immunity in those approaching their booster eligibility date. For those who had the AZ vaccine, immunity drops off more than other vaccines and at a time when immunity is decreasing, restrictions in schools have been totally lifted and there’s been a huge spike of cases in my kids school. It’s really not that hard to get your head around.

"My logic is backed up by the BBC article"

said no one seriously, ever.

This was inevitable, surely?

@HesterShaw1

This was inevitable, surely?

Yes, but to be fair it’s a bit counter intuitive. People forget that a small fraction of a large number ends up more than a bigger fraction of a small number.

My mil had no problems booking an appointment for a booster once 6 months up. My dh is having his on Wednesday. That will be 6 months and 2 days after first jab. I am having my booster next Saturday 6 months and 1 day after first jab. I know 5 other people over 60 who all got their jabs 6 months and a few days after 2nd jab, living in different parts of country too. I had no idea some people can't get one 6 months after second jab. Is there a genuine shortage of jabs or can't some people get to chemist or vaccine centre to get one?

Sorry DH having booster 6 months and 2 days after 2nd jab.

I've not seen the figures but put simply 90.% of those over 50, the people most at risk, are vaccinated. If half the people in the hospital are vaccinated that means you are 10 x more likely to be hospitalised if you are not vaccinated.

Vaccination doesn't prevent infection completely but it lessens the disease substantially. A few people unfortunately do get seriously ill, perhaps because underlying health problems mean the vaccine doesn't work or just they aren't developing antibodies for another reason