Positive ds, can my cleaner come tomorrow?

[PurpleEchoLamp]

Just that really! Since he got his positive PCR, he's been banished to his room, so if he stays in there, and she only does downstairs, can she come? (1st world problem, I know!)

@Oftenithinkaboutit

I relish an advanced search when posters say comments like yours!!

Indeed and your name says it all 😃

Too right!

@SeasonalNamechange

Mumsnet is odd about cleaners

My cleaner has the choice and has chosen to come. People are not as bothered now

I sort of agree. The present self-isolation rules make no sense anyway since the siblings of a Covid-positive child can go to school and one parent at least can go to work. And yet they're all living in the same house.

I don't think people are as bothered about it now, especially if they are vaccinated/have had Covid recently. Having said that, if you know she's vulnerable, unvaccinated or particularly anxious about Covid, pay her in full and tell her to stay away. If she's out mixing all the time and doesn't really care, I'd be more reluctant to pay.

Having said that, if you know she's vulnerable, unvaccinated or particularly anxious about Covid

You forgot “or she wants to actually follow the rules”.

@Maskless I'm amazed the hospital you were in were so relaxed.....guess it shows how different hospitals are acting differently. I work in one and as a HCP I have to wear a mask at all times apart from when eating. So patient care, sitting at the nurses station, sat having handover all wearing a mask. Any patient care I also have to wear gloves and an apron.

The women are also asked to wear masks at all times, most don't in their own bed space but if they come out of their space to go to the loo they are told to wear a mask and will be sent back to their bed to get one if spotted without one.

Don't be selfish, clean your own house this week (if you are physically capable, otherwise just wallow in filth until DS is negative. It won't kill you).

[quote CovidCorvid]@Maskless I'm amazed the hospital you were in were so relaxed.....guess it shows how different hospitals are acting differently. I work in one and as a HCP I have to wear a mask at all times apart from when eating. So patient care, sitting at the nurses station, sat having handover all wearing a mask. Any patient care I also have to wear gloves and an apron.

The women are also asked to wear masks at all times, most don't in their own bed space but if they come out of their space to go to the loo they are told to wear a mask and will be sent back to their bed to get one if spotted without one.[/quote]
@CovidCorvid

I think the staff were probably "supposed" to be wearing them because some of them did, all or some of the time; some did then pulled them down to speak; some had them hooked under the chin. One nurse was wearing one all the time but when she sat down to update the computer records she pulled it down, opened a tupperware box and munched on a pile of Ryvitas.

They all had only those flimsy bits of blue paper, anyway, not one had a proper mask that actually did anything to spread a disease.

But patients, no. I was admitted via A&E and was not given a mask nor asked if I had one with me. At no time during my stay was I offered one, and the other 7 patients on my ward did not wear them, not in bed, and not when walking to the bathroom.

Maybe it varies according to the infection rate in one's area? Maybe ours is really low? I don't know, I never check.

(Apologies for hijacking the thread.)

People like this actually exist? Thinking it’s acceptable to bring a luxury service labourer into an infected house? How? Like, describe the thought process to us, OP.

No one has really identified where the actual risks are for the cleaner in this situation (apart from minuscule negligible ones).

It seems that those aghast that the OP would even ask such a question are either:

a) completely incapable of performing even the most rudimentary risk assessment; or

b) robotically follow rules to the letter without question and are constitutionally incapable of ever applying common sense to a situation where a "rule" exists (they're dream subjects for a dictator!).... or:

c) those who live for petty rules and have a sense of superiority that comes with calling out those that don't comply;

@NowEvenBetter

People like this actually exist? Thinking it’s acceptable to bring a luxury service labourer into an infected house? How? Like, describe the thought process to us, OP.

It's really pretty straightforward. The OP is merely assessing whether it's necessary to strictly adhere to a rule, when breaking that rule doesn't have any real life consequences (ie you can't realistically catch Covid from someone isolating in a room on another floor).

@Lilifer

There is as much science in the hysterical answers on this thread as there was in the Salem Witch Trials.

It's frightening... and I thought we'd moved on from the over-reactions of March 2020.

@agedmother

Leaving aside the question of health and safety legislation and C-19 regulations/guidance, do tell us the basis upon which you assess the risks to be 'tiny' or 'negligible' Warhertisuff?

If the OP opens windows downstairs beforehand, and everyone in the house, obviously including the DS with Covid, remain upstairs behind closed doors throughout, then the risk would be very small.

What comes across very clearly on this thread is that a lot of posters are just angry and resentful and jealous that the OP employs a cleaner

Aye, right! because no one else on this thread could possibly have a cleaner 😂

Or we could just comply with the law and listen to the Doctors...

Link to The Lancet for those posters who like their risk assessment informed by science.

Warhertisuff talking absolute shite killed the thread.

Some people seem to be ignoring the fact that if the OP's ds has tested positive, she and the rest of the family will probably be brewing it. I know he's been isolating since his negative result but covid has a high pre-symptomatic transmission rate. In the couple of days before he developed symptoms and tested positive he was presumably mixing with OP and any others who live there. Incubation takes about 4 or 5 days typically, so OP is now ripe to be pre-symptomatically spreading it herself. This is why until recently, household contacts also had to isolate when someone tested positive.

It's bad news that anyone has to work with people who might be covid positive, but it's sometimes inevitable at the moment. Asking a self employed person (with no earnings protection if they get ill) to come and work in the household of an infected person and their potentially infectious family is really thoughtless, self centred and irresponsible.

[quote Warhertisuff]@agedmother

Leaving aside the question of health and safety legislation and C-19 regulations/guidance, do tell us the basis upon which you assess the risks to be 'tiny' or 'negligible' Warhertisuff?

If the OP opens windows downstairs beforehand, and everyone in the house, obviously including the DS with Covid, remain upstairs behind closed doors throughout, then the risk would be very small.[/quote]
You know it spread from quarantine hotels in NZ from shared corridor use from people isolating behind closed doors?
For the cleaner to not be exposed to any family they would have to vacate the space for 3 hours with windows open before she entered to clean.

Health care workers want to wear more than the blue masks but the government won’t pay for it. Other countries their public do and have much lower rates than the U.K.
you’d love China atm, zero covid policy and shutting down Disney for one positive case. But you’re fine aren’t you. Until you need non covid medical care and you’ll realise it’s crap because of all the NHS staff off with long covid, or still drafted to work on covid wards as that’s where people are dying or they decide to rightfully fuck off to work in another country that treats their staff better. But apart from that there is nothing anyone can say that will convince NHS you covid isn’t fake. Oh and those crappy blue paper masks, next time you have surgery tell your surgeon they don’t need to wear it to protect you.

My experience as a cleaner of someone sick in a house were they are supposed to remain in a room simply doesn't happen. I've encountered this time and time again, we're a parent is looking after a sick child. They tell you that they will stay put in one area, then while you are working well out of their way, you turn around and they are in the same room as you. Oh I just needed this that or the other. Op, don't be one of those, pay the cleaner and tell her not to come, it isn't her fault she can't work.

Do the staff count as people, asking for a virus.

@RuggerHug

Do the staff count as people, asking for a virus.

Fucking ridiculous.

What matters, above all else, more than how fucking likely she would be to catch it or what the actual bloody rules say is that the cleaner has some fucking autonomy over the decision and is free to make her own choice without coercion in any way. I.e “there is Covid in the house, the infected person is isolating. It is up to you whether you clean today or not. I will still pay you whatever you decide”

It is the right thing to do.

I also have a cleaner btw… and this is exactly what I would do.

@RuggerHug

Do the staff count as people, asking for a virus.

Exactly this.

@Tryagainplease

Fucking ridiculous.

What matters, above all else, more than how fucking likely she would be to catch it or what the actual bloody rules say is that the cleaner has some fucking autonomy over the decision and is free to make her own choice without coercion in any way. I.e “there is Covid in the house, the infected person is isolating. It is up to you whether you clean today or not. I will still pay you whatever you decide”

It is the right thing to do.

I also have a cleaner btw… and this is exactly what I would do.

What you'd do is give someone that is beholden to you, because you pay them, the 'choice' to be paid and risk catching covid, or be paid and not risk it.

Why would anyone with 'fucking autonomy' choose the former? No one would, except of course they would because this is not an equal power relationship, is it.

What you mean is you would exploit your financial advantage to subtly coerce someone poorer than you to put themselves, their family and their livelihood at risk, rather than clean your own fucking house for one week.

How selfless of you.

@BudgeSquare @Tryagainplease is saying the exact opposite as they said they would pay whether the cleaner came or not.

It is up to you whether you clean today or not. I will still pay you whatever you decide”

Are you unable to read @BudgeSquare ???

I would pay them whether they came or not. But would still give them the choice if they came or not.